To find media discussion about trans issues far overstated compared to the actual seriousness of the issue?

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Full disclosure, I happily accept most trans people I've met as their transitioned gender which I know puts me at odds with most people on MN. But as a feminist and a lefty, even if one views trans women as men which I don't, in terms of political priorities it ranks so list on my list of concerns. I assume that applies to most people too (trans people included!).

What someone has listed on their birth certificate has no impact on my life, and surely minimal impact on most women's lives? Imo we should be focusing on cost of living crisis, housing, properly funding women's services including rape crisis services, funding childcare, sorting out the health service and bloody schools! Gender recognition comes way below those for me (even though I'm broadly supportive with some checks in place).

I know gender criticals won't agree with me, and maybe some trans people who feel very strongly, but I do feel there's a silent majority of us who just aren't that fussed?

Watching with interest OP, good to see someone intelligent and able to lay out their thoughts and opinions well take up a position many people agree with, but youl need your hard hat here.

Yours is a luxury belief.

Have you read the feminist boards on here? The majority of posters there think trans is a delusion and refuse to use pronouns. It's not goady at all.

lol I love the idea that all the fuck women’s rights supporters (because that’s what it is) think that they lead a silent majority cowed into silence on AIBU 😁

Err 80% plus appear to disagree with OP

No it isn't.

But as a feminist and a lefty, even if one views trans women as men which I don't

So you believe any man could declare himself to be a woman tomorrow and you would think he'd actually been a woman all along? Donald Trump? Boris?

Yes, this.

thankfully the old-fashioned mysogynists are in the minority here but it's always disappointing to see how many of those people there are. There is clearly a lot of education work needed. I think we should be teaching all students that we no longer need to believe that women wear frocks and make up and men don't and women are pretty and kind and men are strong and assertive. If we broke down these views more, I think more people would be able to see the nonsense and sexism of their position.

Yes there's been a welcome shift change on MN after so long. So good that women's rights and concerns are now being debated and discussed in the open.

That is because it is MN. In real life, most people would agree as suggested by this article www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/16/twitter-trans-rights-gender-identity-report

Of course we are allowed our own point of view (clearly I'm expressing a very unpopular one on here). But seeing other mums (and parents in general) struggling with all sorts of very major economic and political issues day to day I find the monomania regarding trans issues in the media and social media worrying because I feel other issues get missed in terms of proportion.

Perhaps you should lecture trans activists about it, because they do seem to make an awful lot of fuss about it proportionally?

In what way have the policies that organisations have adopted actually been “hugely” detrimental to you?

It’s in my post. All specific things that have directly affected my extended family. There are more issues that have affected me but I’m not going into that here as it might identify me.

Either you’re stupid with no critical thinking skills, or just very naive.
The whole issue of self ID opens up a massive can of worms for people who are NOT trans being able to CLAIM to be trans for the sole reason of gaining access to single sex spaces. So a man who gets his kicks from exposing his penis to women would legitimately be able to flash it in a women’s changing room at the gym unchallenged because ‘I’m trans now’.
The transwomen I know would never in a million years behave in this way, and are very much concerned about the impact of self ID.
The whole GRC debacle is a complete red herring.
Oh, and the purpose of safeguarding is to look at ALL possible scenarios before making decisions, not to minimise such possibilities by saying ‘X will probably never happen so we don’t need to consider it”

MN isn't the world.

Orchid. We are women in real life.

Hope that helps.

That article was 7 months ago. As the reality of GRR and what it means for women and children's rights and safety is debated and discussed in the mainstream so to do attitudes. As we've seen in more recent surveys.

I would use the words debated and discussed loosely. Debate requires two sides of an argument.

Re. The death certificate, just add another box: gender identity (optional)……

No need to falsify sex facts.

As pointed out in this article the Scottish government don't see the GRR as just a bit of admin

. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2a58f174-9902-11ed-91ab-4070465550ba?shareToken=51cc190e62095381b1443a5d3141eb0e

There’s a whole world of difference between people saying that they know people can’t change sex, therefore transgenderism is based on delusions, and saying transgender people don’t exist.
Of course people who think they have changed sex exist. We all know that!

Recording gender identity and sex would also acknowledge trans people. A fake death cert erases a trans person’s existence as trans.

Yes, there's very little debate. It's more of an echo chamber nowadays.

All men pose a threat to women, regardless of how they choose to identify. Offending occurs at the same rate in males who iD as trans, as in all other males. In terms of sexual offences the rates may well be higher, as trans males in prison for sex offences are around half of the trans cohort. Far higher than other males in prison for sexual crime.
So no, trans identifying males are not less of a risk to women, that is demonstrably untrue.