Cosmetic surgery DOES affect others

[EmmaDilemma5]

I'm sick of reading people who defend others cosmetic surgery/procedures with;

"it's their body, they can do as they please"

"Each to their own"

"If it makes them feel happier then what's the harm?"

The harm is, that it sets a ridiculous standard that most (usually young women) can't meet naturally and therefore feel pressured to undergo changes to their body to look "good".

It's not a personal decision, because collectively, it's impacting society norms and pressures on people.

I'm not talking about those that truly help people with abnormally different features. I totally get why someone with ears that grow out at 90° may want them pinned back. Or someone with a huge nose may want to reduce it to a more "normal" size. I still hope they'd feel fine in their own skin but get why the majority of people may struggle with largely unusual features.

But I am actually angry sometimes at those that "enhance" normal looks. Lip fillers, tattoo makeup on eyebrows, lips, boob jobs. It seems to me that the majority of women who have these procedures have very normal features before having them and it's just really sad that they feel they need to undergo them to feel ok.

Lip fillers are the worst for me. It's affordable and easy to arrange. I fear my daughter will grow up thinking her lips aren't big enough (if her parents' are anything to go by anyway) because every other person seems to have massive lips and to look beautiful she'll need to pump her face with crap.

When do we say, enough is enough, we don't want the next generation living like this?!

Botox would suit you more than lazy disingenuousness.

I'm sure some women do it to look younger. They'll be disappointed. I don't and I know it doesn't do that. It gets rid of a permanent scowl and that's all I want.

I cannot understand why my motivations matter so much to you but clearly they do. So along with looking 18, I'm living rent free in many posters' heads. It's a compliment, I guess.

Some people who have lines have an angry resting face and the lines exacerbate this

Is the implication that if you have an 'angry resting face' that you should then have injectables? Do men have angry resting faces and have to rush out and 'fix' them? Is saying this stuff kind?

I don't care on an individual level what people want to do but I do think there's an overall impact in society which isn't hard to see.

I said that I look angry and scowly with those lines and I do. So I get rid of them. I haven't claimed to be kind and wonderful but I haven't accused people of lying or claimed I know their faces better than they do.

I may be responsible for many things, but societal pressure on women to look eternally 21 isn't my fault. Or if it is, you'll also have to blame women who dye their hair or use anti-ageing creams...which I don't do. You can if you like, though.

Is the implication that if you have an 'angry resting face' that you should then have injectables?

No, it's that some people with this issue want to and it's nobody else's concern. It's not about you. My decision to have Botox is not a personal insult to those who don't.

The one thing I do acknowledge though is ‘wrinkle privilege’ for want of a better phrase. I am in my fifties and don’t have many wrinkles and barely an ‘11’. I had to google marionette lines and don’t have jowls yet. It’s just luck. I am aware it could change any day. And my body/sagging boobs are a different story.

If I had significant frown lines that made me feel ugly/look angry etc, maybe I would feel motivated to act. Food for thought for me.

But why should people have to feel ugly with lines? it's fucked up

Well that’s the discussion. A multi million pound industry depends on women feeling ugly.

They don't "have to". Where did you get that?

I had a traumatic year and the trauma hung on my face. I didn't want it there and now it's gone. I'm happy.

A lot of posters on here, with their ignorant body shaming, apparently depend on it too.

No one 'has' to feel anything.

No one 'has' to wear makeup, dye their hair or wear clothes that flatter their natural colouring and figure.

Some people that have the means to just choose to.

It really is that simple

ReneBumsWombats it's not all about you, there's a wider discussion

A multi million pound industry depends on women feeling ugly.

Exactly

You're the one who thought Sarah having injectables was saying something about Jenny.

And now you're saying people "have to feel" a certain way. Expect personal responses.

Doesn’t every single personal choice have societal ramifications?

I wear contact lenses - what a shallow bitch I must be forcing people in glasses to feel awful, eh?

She hasn't said other women look angry and scowly without botox. She said she did.
I did too from around age 30. Many women don't.
If you RTFT you'll note that with very few exceptions, the women on here who have procedures have all restricted their comments to their own appearance. Its the ones who disapprove who've insulted others.

My naturally brown hair is also highlighted blonde - look at me forcing brunettes to feel lesser

She hasn't said other women look angry and scowly without botox.

And I never would. How would I know? And even if I thought so, if they're happy, who cares?

I'm not into calling other women ugly or body shaming them, even under the guise of the good of society.

Exactly

Actually, I've just realised...on another thread, I have made some snarky remarks about overdone lip fillers on The Apprentice.

I don't like the look, but I shouldn't have done that. And I won't again.

Well, other women can't walk round freely with work done to their faces either, according to this thread.

I hate any sort of cosmetic surgery & would never have it, I’m happy be be natural & wrinkly!

My 6 year old DD said to me at weekemd “Kay is rich & you’re poor” so when questioned, it’s because Kay (my friend) has big enhanced lips with red lipstick on & botox & massive eyelashes etc!

fuming I was🤣 spent ages naming all the natural
mums!

YANBU. I’m hoping that by the time my daughter gets to teenagerhood, this over-made-up and contouring and filler thing is long over, and natural is in. That said, I’m very natural and never got into any fads, so hopefully she’ll be the same.

It does set an unrealistic bar, but really, most people I know don’t do it, and think it looks ridiculous.

Right well I am taking my unnatural, ridiculous, tight, line-free, sheeny, disgusting and frankly hideously distorted face to bed now.

I honestly don't know how people can bear to look at my disgustingness without vomiting at the very sight of me.

(Let alone my lack of moral rectitude for having been so vain as to have had anything done).

Thankfully all the women that I apparently offend by my choosing to do this are all about being 'kind' and pro sisterhood.

Don't worry I'll remember to remind myself how revolting I am as a human being too.

Nanight y'all

Yeah, think I'll do the same. Corrupting society with a neutral resting face is tiring.