To be really worried about proposed teacher strikes.

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In England not Scotland for context. My twin daughters are year 11 and I am terrified about the impact of teacher strikes on their GCSEs. They have not yet covered the curriculum and every day counts to get them exam ready so strike days will be disastrous for year 11 and 13 pupils ( and lots of other children especially those who are vulnerable) these kids have had their education impacted by covid and now strikes. This will make the divide between state and private schools even bigger. Do you think they will go ahead or if a safety net will be put around exam years if it does.

👆🏻 Yep, this.

A very basic concept really isn’t it…but yet somehow not!

It's the same with kitchen staff. You'd think people would be fighting for term time work.

You'd think people would be fighting for term time work.

They were. Until the pay got so shit it was more lucrative and less hassle to work in supermarkets.

People also fought for term time jobs so that they could have the holidays with their kids. Now with more jobs offering flexible working and working from home, having the holidays free is less of a draw.

Are you going to answer my questions roseberry

‘Seasonal workers’
‘Recipients of weeks off time in lieu’
’Five on five off shift workers’

Are they all part time too?

The kitchen staff I'm thinking of are on very competitive pay rates, but like you say, with flexible working nowadays it's probably easier to work in a supermarket, which has its stresses, but less responsibility.

I won't be engaging with someone on the internet who can't have an adult debate/disagreement on a thread without resorting to personal patronising language and behaviour towards someone, no.

So we have now firmly established that teachers are indeed FT workers… am going to go back and read the rest of your arguments to see where that leaves you!

@Roseberry1

Can you answer this question for me please?

‘Seasonal workers’
‘Recipients of weeks off time in lieu’
’Five on five off shift workers’

Do you count these people as part time workers?

Thanks.

So glad I got out of teaching 2 years was enough. Awful work/life balance but my lack of social life and substantial bursary I saved from my PGCE meant I had a very good deposit for a house and promptly moved onto a better paying job.

I'd say they should pay teachers more (and they should!) But that's only one issue.

Full time is defined by working a set of hours within a working week defined by the employer.
When applying for loans, mortgages, life insurance it qualifies as full time. It is defined as full time work in every way that matters.

On another note, you have persistently tried to explain, the problem is not just recruitment it's retention. School kitchen staff, hospitality staff, retail, various sectors may also have recruitment problems which, as unskilled jobs, obviously will be impacted by Brexit, they are not comparable to teaching. Nearly half of the teaching force leave within 5 years. I can't think of any other professional job which has such poor retention. It is a problem unique to teaching.

I can't believe that I've come back to this- just finished marking- and Roseberry is STILL maintaining that we're all part-time 😀. It's totally trolling.

After a PP detailed a gruelling SLT role she still maintains that we're all part-time. Honestly, some people have no shame.

I'll go in in the morning and tell my kids who can't read (age 14) that I'll not be taking them for extra practise at lunch because I'm now part-time. Then I'll go and tell my S3 that the theatre trip next weekend is cancelled, because I'm now part-time. I'll tell seniors that their prelim marking won't be done in my part-time hours. Honestly, just go and take a running jump, no-one wants to listen to your utter tripe.

You won't reveal your job as you're too scared that we'll show it for what it really is.

You going to tell my sister that she's part-time in the police when she's 7 days on 4 off? I'd like to see how that goes down. You going to tell my BIL he's part-time when he's off-shore 4 weeks and home 4 weeks? Again, that'll go down well. Idiot.

Seasonal workers aren't classed as full-time. My apologies, however, that teachers are considered "full time" in the same way a student is a full-time student when they do a course, etc, but not in the same way a working doing say, 40 hours a week and paid 52 weeks a year with annual leave allowance. So we were both right in our own ways, as in both terms are correct just in different ways. Apologies again for all the confusion.

Teachers are classed as full time for the purpose of loans, mortgages etc.

They get paid essentially for a 10 month contract over 12 month (some areas pay differently)

I won't reveal my job because I don't want to reveal outing information on mn, I don't think that's unreasonable.

It's not unreasonable, but plenty of your claims/ beliefs are.

You didn't answer me- would you call my sister and BIL part-time to their face?

Yeah, just putting this right here…

Tell the (many Mexican migrants workers I know) who work insane hours, in fixed term contract that they don’t work ‘full-time’

Even HMRC disagrees with you!

I never said they were online so why to their face? Eh

Unless you do something so incredibly specialist that only about three people in the country do it, how can it possible be outing?

You have this bizarre idea of ‘full-time’ in a legal sense rather than ‘full-time’ hours being worked which is the crux for your, well baseless, argument that teachers aren’t full-time!

And stop with the 52 weeks a year contract stuff… you do know that in modern times, things have moved on.

Can I ask, is someone who gets unlimited annual leave (and this is a thing now) also not full-time?

Putting that out there in case anyone is also interested in this scenario and wants to ask the question.

I've already said I made a mistake when replying to noblegiraff

Well that's not very kind

If you think this thread is bad, wait till you see the DM version!