To be really worried about proposed teacher strikes.

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In England not Scotland for context. My twin daughters are year 11 and I am terrified about the impact of teacher strikes on their GCSEs. They have not yet covered the curriculum and every day counts to get them exam ready so strike days will be disastrous for year 11 and 13 pupils ( and lots of other children especially those who are vulnerable) these kids have had their education impacted by covid and now strikes. This will make the divide between state and private schools even bigger. Do you think they will go ahead or if a safety net will be put around exam years if it does.

We did work to rule. We did it for so long it kind of just fizzled out and everyone forgot about it.

The rule is that teachers have to work as many hours as necessary to effectively discharge their professional duties. So what would 'work to rule' actually stop teachers from doing?

People think work to rule would mean teachers rocking up at 9 and heading off at 3 with no marking, but that's not it. It means doing all the teaching stuff that's in directed time, doing all the planning and marking that's outside of directed time and the only stuff you can say no to is the optional stuff like running clubs.

Pro rata is not full-time. 52 weeks a year with paid annual leave (28 days, more I contract adds bank holidays on top instead of included) is full time.

A private company generates their own income, it's a private company not government funded.

I know what pro-rata is.

It is working only part of the contracted hours required to do the job.

Teachers aren’t required in the same way other M-F, 9-5 roles are.

Doesn’t mean a full-time teacher is pro-rated does it.

Not what pro-rated means at all.

A teacher working only 4 days a week would be pro-rated I’m terms of the actual full-time requirements of the post.

This is not hard.

Think you need to understand the concept of pro-rata and little better and stop applying the M-F, 9-5 model
to this profession.

And to be M-F,9-5 hours don’t apply to a lot of jobs nowadays.

This is not hard.

You'd think.

Working term time is not full time. They may work full time hours during term time, but this isn't classed as working full time an an annual basis because they work term time.

I mean pro-data literally means in proportion.

I can’t genuinely believe there are people saying all teachers are part-time.

Do you think all headteachers are part time too then??

but this isn't classed as working full time an an annual basis

Yes it is. E.g. when filling out insurance forms a full time teacher is not a part time worker.

You'd think admitting working 39 weeks a year isn't working full time...

So you're saying that anyone whose holiday entitlement is longer than 6 weeks actually counts as a part time worker?

Are you sure?

And how many hours in those 39 weeks.

I have given you an example of this above in terms of things other teachers do.

If you work for a private entity, you will get days in lieu of you work exceptionally long days over a short period of time.

In some professions, that means you can get weeks in lieu.

Are they also part-time workers?

What about seasonal fruit pickers who work 7 days a week, many hours a day, months on end, but then have long blocks time off.

Are they part time too??

Oh dear. You know when someone resorts to that kind of patronising they have clearly lost the argument.

If a couple of strike days here and there is all you’re worried about, then I really do envy you.

Be thankful that you don’t have a Y11 DC who has been let down by the state system, injury, MH, as well as being ND and still needs to continue to TRY and crawl to the finishing line.

Your DC will not suffer for a couple of days.

I’ve just read the entire argument and the loser isn’t @Quincythequince.

A better way of looking at it I a full time worker in recruitment terms is paid 52 weeks per year.

Yes, contractually I see what you mean.
But for those who think it’s just 8:30-3:00 (or whatever), imagine if you could demonstrate exactly what is done outside core face to face hours!

I can’t believe some people are this stupid to not understand what it entails.

@Roseberry1 whats your actual point? That all teachers are over paid because they work p/t?

It really is if you can't argue a point with resorting to name calling and personal patronising/snide comments.

I think their point is that teacher have longer holidays than other workers.

Which I think everyone knows?

That’s not how contacts work though is it. Many roles don’t base it on this type of working pattern at all.

Teachers being one of them.

You are conveniently ignoring the total number of hours worked. Why?

Many full time workers in jobs with seasonally fluctuating demands have annualised hours contracts.

@noblegiraffe ah I see.

I think the holidays are what attract so many people to the profession and are the reason why there are no teacher vacancies and people queuing up to do the job, right?

Oh, hang on . . . . 🙄

That’s not snide name calling.
I rather feel I am talking to a teenager though, hence the apparently offensive term you object so much too.

Far less offensive than you calling teachers part-time workers.

I want your views on migrants workers and time off in lieu scenarios resulting in many weeks off.

Are they part time too??