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katedan · 2023-01-16T13:43:58+00:00

In England not Scotland for context. My twin daughters are year 11 and I am terrified about the impact of teacher strikes on their GCSEs. They have not yet covered the curriculum and every day counts to get them exam ready so strike days will be disastrous for year 11 and 13 pupils ( and lots of other children especially those who are vulnerable) these kids have had their education impacted by covid and now strikes. This will make the divide between state and private schools even bigger. Do you think they will go ahead or if a safety net will be put around exam years if it does.

User16458769 · 19/01/2023 18:57

Asda workers don't earn anywhere near £160 a day, teachers pay has been compared to Asda

User16458769 · 19/01/2023 19:01

WineDup · 16/01/2023 13:56

Yes you are being unreasonable.

You know what you should be concerned about? Good teachers quitting because they can get a similar take home pay working in Asda.

Bright, inspiring people not applying for teaching positions because they know it’s not worth their time or money to train, to do a job that they aren’t suitably compensated for.

It isn’t the strikes you should worry about, it’s a long term work to rule that would have far more impact on learning.

Here is one here about Asda paying similar amount

WineDup · 19/01/2023 19:08

NameInUseAlreadyAgain · 19/01/2023 18:55

How many paid hours a day is that? What time are teachers paid to and from?

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I need to be in the building any time I have a class, which is typically from 9-4.

I can conduct the planning, marking etc for these classes at any time.

I arrived at work at 8:20 today and I’ve only just left at about 6:50.

Yesterday I arrived at 8am and left at about 5pm

On Tuesday I worked 8-4

At home, I’ve got about 2/3 hours to do before next week.

This is on the lighter end of typical.

I’m contracted for 21 hours per week. This week I’ll work about 30.

So how much do you think I’m worth per day?

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 19:08

NameInUseAlreadyAgain · 19/01/2023 18:55

How many paid hours a day is that? What time are teachers paid to and from?

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This

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WineDup · 19/01/2023 19:09

User16458769 · 19/01/2023 19:01

Here is one here about Asda paying similar amount

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The take home pay is the same. The salary is different. I did another post further on breaking it down.

MrsR87 · 19/01/2023 19:18

NameInUseAlreadyAgain · 19/01/2023 18:55

How many paid hours a day is that? What time are teachers paid to and from?

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I’m full time. My payslip ridiculously says 32.5 hours a week. If I held the school to that, I wouldn’t work past Wednesday!

Tryinga · 19/01/2023 19:24

For comparison a nurse would need to work 12 hours to make £160, an Asda shop worker would need to work 16 hours.

They also won’t get the pension/sick leave/holiday leave entitlement that you do as a teacher. They also have unpaid leave calculated at their day rate, rather than 1/365th of their salary unlike teachers. The need for unpaid leave is also very small for teachers, given they provide paid leave for things like childcare emergencies, sick days, religious holidays etc.

And as for above, you can’t be denied unpaid leave for childcare reasons. You can’t just leave your child alone.

I support the strikes, I agree schools are terrible right now and we need to recruit and retain quality staff, but I hate the attitude that it’s always worse for teachers, it shows an utter lack of awareness of how shit it is for the majority of workers in this country.

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 19:29

Sorry I'm a bit confused. Is the £160 per week with you putting in overtime through, or is that £160 per week for the contracted 21 hours? Sorry, I'm a bit confused?

WineDup · 19/01/2023 19:38

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 19:29

Sorry I'm a bit confused. Is the £160 per week with you putting in overtime through, or is that £160 per week for the contracted 21 hours? Sorry, I'm a bit confused?

I’m a bit confused why you think teachers get paid overtime? There is no such thing.

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 19:39

Tryinga · 19/01/2023 19:24

For comparison a nurse would need to work 12 hours to make £160, an Asda shop worker would need to work 16 hours.

They also won’t get the pension/sick leave/holiday leave entitlement that you do as a teacher. They also have unpaid leave calculated at their day rate, rather than 1/365th of their salary unlike teachers. The need for unpaid leave is also very small for teachers, given they provide paid leave for things like childcare emergencies, sick days, religious holidays etc.

And as for above, you can’t be denied unpaid leave for childcare reasons. You can’t just leave your child alone.

I support the strikes, I agree schools are terrible right now and we need to recruit and retain quality staff, but I hate the attitude that it’s always worse for teachers, it shows an utter lack of awareness of how shit it is for the majority of workers in this country.

The site manager/caretaker at a school is often on minimum wage, so would have to work 16 hours to get £160 too unfortunately.

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 19:41

WineDup · 19/01/2023 19:38

I’m a bit confused why you think teachers get paid overtime? There is no such thing.

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So do you get paid £160 per week for 21 hours a week contracted?

spanieleyes · 19/01/2023 19:47

Where does 21 hours a week come from?

WineDup · 19/01/2023 19:51

Tryinga · 19/01/2023 19:24

For comparison a nurse would need to work 12 hours to make £160, an Asda shop worker would need to work 16 hours.

They also won’t get the pension/sick leave/holiday leave entitlement that you do as a teacher. They also have unpaid leave calculated at their day rate, rather than 1/365th of their salary unlike teachers. The need for unpaid leave is also very small for teachers, given they provide paid leave for things like childcare emergencies, sick days, religious holidays etc.

And as for above, you can’t be denied unpaid leave for childcare reasons. You can’t just leave your child alone.

I support the strikes, I agree schools are terrible right now and we need to recruit and retain quality staff, but I hate the attitude that it’s always worse for teachers, it shows an utter lack of awareness of how shit it is for the majority of workers in this country.

NMW = 9.50/hr.

If I worked the same average daily hours as I do now (10, based on this week which is low average) I’d earn £95/day on NMW compared to £160.

Then we need to consider tax.

I earn £25k/year, a worker on NMW earns £14.5k approximately if they work the same hours I work per week on average (since they are paid for extra hours)

25k/yr is take home of £1616 monthly, including pensions, NI, student loans, tax etc. £14.5k is £1100 with the same payments.

I earn £516/month more in my current job than on NMW.

I get £0 in UC payments but on NMW I’d get £90/week towards my childcare costs. Which comes out at £390/month.

Id be £126 per month worse off on NMW. Plus I’d potentially get other benefits which I’ve not looked into.

I work 30h/week which is 130/month

Im about £1/hr better off than on NMW.

WineDup · 19/01/2023 19:53

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 19:41

So do you get paid £160 per week for 21 hours a week contracted?

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I get £160 before deductions per day. My contract is 21hr/week. I work on average 10hr per day.

my take home is nowhere near £160

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 19:54

spanieleyes · 19/01/2023 19:47

Where does 21 hours a week come from?

The poster said they are contacted to 21 hours a week.

I'm still confused though because the poster said they get £160 per day but only contracted 21 hours a week. That's about £40 an hour. Can't be right?

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 19:58

WineDup · 19/01/2023 19:53

I get £160 before deductions per day. My contract is 21hr/week. I work on average 10hr per day.

my take home is nowhere near £160

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I appreciate the overtime you do, which means that's not what you actually make, but the fact you make £160 per day for 21 hours a week means your employer is paying £40 per hour as contract pay (regardless of overtime etc) Or have I got the whole thing wrong?

User16458769 · 19/01/2023 20:00

Do all Asda workers get benefits as in the example above. If a teacher left to work in Asda they surely wouldn't all get benefits

WineDup · 19/01/2023 20:02

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 19:54

The poster said they are contacted to 21 hours a week.

I'm still confused though because the poster said they get £160 per day but only contracted 21 hours a week. That's about £40 an hour. Can't be right?

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I’m supposed to be paid £20/hr so now I’m questioning if I had two days deducted off one pay instead of one? One of the days strike I wasn’t contracted to work so now I’m wondering if I have been underpaid, lol.

WineDup · 19/01/2023 20:06

User16458769 · 19/01/2023 20:00

Do all Asda workers get benefits as in the example above. If a teacher left to work in Asda they surely wouldn't all get benefits

The universal credit payment was for childcare costs and was based on my own personal circumstances. Obviously not every worker on NMW is eligible, but I would be if I was on NMW.

WineDup · 19/01/2023 20:14

I’ve definitely lost £180 pay for one strike day

Description Value
Annual Salary 25401.6
Previous Taxable Pay 0.00
Previous PAYE 0.00
Strike Deduction Days -1
Strike Deduction Rate 180.15

which is weird because if I type my salary into the calculator, divide it by 52, then divide it by 3, I get £162?

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 20:16

WineDup · 19/01/2023 20:02

I’m supposed to be paid £20/hr so now I’m questioning if I had two days deducted off one pay instead of one? One of the days strike I wasn’t contracted to work so now I’m wondering if I have been underpaid, lol.

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Bearing in mind I'm contracted 38 hours per week (40.5 if you include unpaid break) and get around £106 per day, and I'm not even in an unqualified/minimum wage type job. I also do more and pay for my travel on top.

User16458769 · 19/01/2023 20:17

WineDup · 19/01/2023 20:14

I’ve definitely lost £180 pay for one strike day

Description Value
Annual Salary 25401.6
Previous Taxable Pay 0.00
Previous PAYE 0.00
Strike Deduction Days -1
Strike Deduction Rate 180.15

which is weird because if I type my salary into the calculator, divide it by 52, then divide it by 3, I get £162?

Is it pro ratered somehow like holidays are for part time workers

JustWantedACat · 19/01/2023 20:22

Tryinga · 19/01/2023 19:24

For comparison a nurse would need to work 12 hours to make £160, an Asda shop worker would need to work 16 hours.

They also won’t get the pension/sick leave/holiday leave entitlement that you do as a teacher. They also have unpaid leave calculated at their day rate, rather than 1/365th of their salary unlike teachers. The need for unpaid leave is also very small for teachers, given they provide paid leave for things like childcare emergencies, sick days, religious holidays etc.

And as for above, you can’t be denied unpaid leave for childcare reasons. You can’t just leave your child alone.

I support the strikes, I agree schools are terrible right now and we need to recruit and retain quality staff, but I hate the attitude that it’s always worse for teachers, it shows an utter lack of awareness of how shit it is for the majority of workers in this country.

I have to agree with this. It's rubbish for the majority of workers unfortunately.

User16458769 · 19/01/2023 20:25

WineDup · 19/01/2023 20:14

I’ve definitely lost £180 pay for one strike day

Description Value
Annual Salary 25401.6
Previous Taxable Pay 0.00
Previous PAYE 0.00
Strike Deduction Days -1
Strike Deduction Rate 180.15

which is weird because if I type my salary into the calculator, divide it by 52, then divide it by 3, I get £162?

Right, what they have done is taken off the 5 week's holiday amount so instead of 52 weeks it's 47 weeks but in your case your holiday will be a pro rata amount so they should have only taken off 3/5 holiday - I think...

WineDup · 19/01/2023 20:26

User16458769 · 19/01/2023 20:17

Is it pro ratered somehow like holidays are for part time workers

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It could be - I’m going to ask. I know our comparable rate is £25/hr for things like supported study, exam marking and so on.

It sounds a lot, and it is a lot, but the difference between £15k and £25k salary isn’t very much in your pocket.

It isn’t about them vs us though, teachers being underpaid doesn’t detract from other workers also being underpaid. I just don’t like the whole “they get enough!” Attitude, when I’d only lose £1/hr in my pocket if my salary was £10k less.