Dogs capable of sending us to hospital/the morgue need to be banned

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Yet another serious dog attack.

uknip.co.uk/Breaking/News/breaking/woman-rushed-to-hospital-after-attack-by-dog-in-the-street/?fbclid=IwAR3bVa7T5KdsbfMlHZqg8CjSCFIkSVJtGYjB8iAZJ5_2C2Rv4tomNMO1ask

YANBU - ban these dogs (bully breeds, huskies, Dobermans etc)
YABU - aw, poor pibbles, must have been provoked

Because @dancemusicsexromance is a responsible dog owner who understands due to her dog's size others may feel uncomfortable around them. She also clearly understands her dog's tempermant completely and takes steps to ensUre her large dog is never in a position to cause harm or feel distressed.

I really hate the ‘tiny dogs bite too!’ that always gets trotted out.

Look, if there is a dog on the rampage running towards you in a park. No one else around. Are you really telling me you’d be just as scared of a chihuahua than a xxxl bully pitbull?

Jack russels/chihuahuas may be able to get a lucky bite in if they catch you off guard and you are already on the floor (so in a home environment).

But the bigger dog is most likely going to kill you if it wants to.

Perhaps a two pronged approach. Anyone can own a small dog, but need a licence which shows you have the ability to train them to a decent enough standard.

And requiring a special working dog licence for any dog classed as large and up. No one else can have one. Most of those types of dogs should be working to live happy fulfilled lives anyway, not shoved into a terraced house and only walked (if it’s bloody lucky) for half an hour a day.

I guess that you let your kids run up to dogs because you think the dog is cute and that your kids have the right to pet it? You are wrong. A responsible owner out with its dog on a short lead is doing a good job of dog ownership. Idiot parents and caregivers think it the divine right of their kids to run up to a dog. These same people bother farm animals, care nothing for nature. Animals are to be respected. They are not for entertainment. My dog reacts well because he feels fine and is trained to sit and stay. I have shouted at idiot parents to keep their kids away.

@Greatly
Honestly?
My son was desperately ill in hospital and it was his favourite breed.
He asked if he came home could we think of getting one.
I spoke to my vet friends, I got a trainer and researched the breed over 7 months.
The only neg advice I received was he won't bond too much with people outside the family
But as long as he's introduced first he loves everyone.
I honestly can't think of one bad thing about him. He's perfect. I will never have a cocker spaniel again- but personally the cane Corso fits perfectly into our lives.
He's quiet, clever, he's sensitive and confident - unanimously he's our favourite breed we've ever had.

Yes very similar to that - Tall, very big build, and big jaws like that too.

I’m not great with breeds but he deff did mention staffy.

I guess that you let your kids run up to dogs because you think the dog is cute and that your kids have the right to pet it? You are wrong. A responsible owner out with its dog on a short lead is doing a good job of dog ownership. Idiot parents and caregivers think it the divine right of their kids to run up to a dog. These same people bother farm animals, care nothing for nature. Animals are to be respected. They are not for entertainment. My dog reacts well because he feels fine and is trained to sit and stay. I have shouted at idiot parents to keep their kids away.

But working dogs aren't working because of their size e.g. Jack Russell's work. In fact most of the very large breeds aren't working dogs for any job in the UK.

If the owners had severe penalties, such as significant prison time and were charged with manslaughter or similar if the dog attacks someone but not fatally maybe it would put off people owning dogs and not training them properly.

A ban on owning dogs for people who have previously had an out of control dog and maybe dog free spaces for people to use without fear.

I can avoid a field with cows (and do). However cannot avoid dogs. There is not a long way round available to avoid them. So until then I would just like the public to not own one that could kill me.

I recently spotted a dog in a red collar and harness tied up outside the local shop while the owner went inside, the dog was growling at people as they entered the shop, and children often go to the shop. I crossed the road when I spotted the collar and harness colour but surely a dangerous dog should not be left tied up near a shop as people have to walk past it to get inside.

Professional psychic 🙄

ok well, let's add men, cars...

Staffies aren't tall

As I recall she dragged the poor puppy home over various public transport methods, over several hours, lopped under her arm with it's poor back legs dragging it down. Was warned by the programme trainer to consider a different breed than a massive Leonberger but insisted she wanted a BIG dog and basically saw the dog as a boyfriend substitute. Took it home to a small (1 bed) flat that was above the ground floor, didn't socialise it properly, had never had a dog before and had not the first clue about what it needed.

By the end of the programme it had displayed clear anxiety behaviours that she was not equipt to handle properly.

As I recall she dragged the poor puppy home over various public transport methods, over several hours, lopped under her arm with it's poor back legs dragging it down. Was warned by the programme trainer to consider a different breed than a massive Leonberger but insisted she wanted a BIG dog and basically saw the dog as a boyfriend substitute. Took it home to a small (1 bed) flat that was above the ground floor, didn't socialise it properly, had never had a dog before and had not the first clue about what it needed.

By the end of the programme it had displayed clear anxiety behaviours that she was not equipt to handle properly.

Do all these people advocating strict licence control etc, live in the same UK as me?
Just asking because around here, you're lucky if the Police attend a murder. These dog licences are going to have to be very expensive if they are going to pay for enforcement too.

Reading through this is a real eye opener, the majority of attacks are on owners or their children and one had been a well behaved dog for 10 years, his owner fell the dog licked him first and then tore chunks out of him until he died. Gruesome list but some of the dogs are small breeds too, majority rotweillers and bull terriers though and some have killed following previous biting someone else which makes me wonder why it wasnt removed first time round.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

I am not convinced @Jenasaurus - news reports from the time say that Rottie from 2008 was being walked with a muzzle.

Quite possibly for entirely harmless reasons but makes me wonder if he wasn't such a 'well behaved' dog after all. His owner had an epileptic fit which could have been very distressing for the dog so it also wasn;t 'just' a fall.

Still tragic, but I think there are a few more aggravating details than Wiki have listed.

I mean this is fine by me.

You could be right, there are lots of fatalities following epileptic seizures where dogs have turned on their owners, that is worrying too.

@AllThingsServeTheBeam

OK. That is my description vs what he told me - it’s really not a big deal.
It could be any sort of dog - I do not know - but it was big.
The whole point was to highlight the fact that he allows his daughters to paint a dog of that size nails.

haven’t read the whole thread, read a few of your posts Ozo, yiu are being absolutely ridiculous ,
hth

Well it is a big deal actually. Because all these staffy attacks you hear about are 99% of the time not staffies but crosses. So it gives a dog a bad name for no reason.

The majority of fatalities seem to be children/ visitors (including family members)/neighbours. I was surprised at how many WEREN'T the actual owners...
Many of these breeds are known to be very protective of their family and form strong bonds, which is why owners will tell you that they make wonderful loving pets (which they probably do... until they don't and it's too late) that's half the problem but the dogs cant help their instinct if they aren't trained properly or watched in situations where they may be uncomfortable.

I think all dog owners need licenses etc. but the issue is policing it. The police/PSCOs etc already don't lift a finger for more serious things anyway, and are overstretched. Also... dogs hugely vary by personality, training, genetics, how they are cared for and exercised. People get them and don't do the research or work and you will never be able to ensure that all dog owners are responsible. Breed bans would never work. The nicest dogs I've ever met were an enormous long-haired German Shepherd (she was bred from a show line, with docile parents and grandparents, and was extremely polite and well-loved), a Jack Russell (trained consistently by firm, loving owners), and an older collie who was a rescue and given a new lease of life with active, loving owners who did agility training with him. The worst dogs I know are a trio of Daschunds "owned" by arsehole neighbours - they are vicious fuckers that bark the place down and growl, and are screamed at in return/rarely walked, and yes I have raised concerns and no, no one does anything - and a younger rescue collie that is nervous and reactive, and I don't feel safe near her as she barks up a storm if you move.