Dogs capable of sending us to hospital/the morgue need to be banned

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Yet another serious dog attack.

uknip.co.uk/Breaking/News/breaking/woman-rushed-to-hospital-after-attack-by-dog-in-the-street/?fbclid=IwAR3bVa7T5KdsbfMlHZqg8CjSCFIkSVJtGYjB8iAZJ5_2C2Rv4tomNMO1ask

YANBU - ban these dogs (bully breeds, huskies, Dobermans etc)
YABU - aw, poor pibbles, must have been provoked

Yep.

Thought I'd cheer the thread up with my favourite meme 😁

Any dog is able to seriously hurt someone given enough of a chance, but I do understand larger breeds have more ability to seriously hurt someone if they so wished.

However, banning all large/medium breeds of dogs is just a ridiculous solution. My labrador is a working dog, doing jobs that smaller dogs just wouldn't be able to and aren't bred for. Not to mention the fact that my dog has been specifically bred for the purpose of his job and is therefore one of the most effective to do it (the coat type, strong swimmer etc). The collie on our farm is also a large dog but is also a working dog to herd the sheep. Considering collies are the perfect size and are born with their herding instinct, which small dog do you suggest we replace her with? If you would like to come and train a tiny terrier or a pug to do the daily work she does, you're more than welcome to, as long as their stamina, skill, discipline and ability can match hers, of course.

Banning millions of families from owning beloved, well trained family pets, companions as well as essentially working tools in some circumstances is just impossible. So many good owners with fantastically well trained and obedient dogs should not be punished because there are some people that cannot train a dog or choose not to.

I don't know what the solution is as dog licenses didn't work and regulation of dog ownership/training would be difficult to police in general, but simply banning all large dog breeds isn't the answer.

From that article, this is a list of the number of dogs involved in fatality's since 1981 and the breed.

Cane Corsos (sp?) and XL/Pocket Bullies are the new chav dog of choice, all of which should be banned. And I'll bet the ear and tail cropping of these breeds goesbon illegally in this country. Huskies should be banned too.

@AllThingsServeTheBeam

The dog’s owner said Staffie - not me. I was relaying what I was told.

Yeah, this. My working stock border collie is 10kg. My previous dog was a border collie x and he was 30kg.

@Jenasaurus so banning five or six breeds (and cross-breeds which are part of these), restricting another three or four, and a proper registration scheme, and you have gone a long way.

Yes and he was in the wrong.

it is not the dogs fault.
intensive in breeding
poor or no training/socialisation
walking too many dogs
untrained people with no sense... and many more
toddlers bite each other sometimes, are you going to destroy them too.

Tackle the culture of status dogs, and bring back pride on having good standards of husbandry. Its possible to take pride in how well looked after and how well trained your animal is.

14 people in around 40yrs. Considering there is around 7.5k staffies in the uk it shows it's a extremely low risk

A 45kg muscular dog is less dangerous than a Lhasa Apso? Any dog will turn. I could kick off the Lhasa Apso, but I’d be dead in seconds if a Cane Corso turned on me, especially as it weighs the same as me. If you are aware that Cane Corsos can kill, then why did you buy one?

If you are aware that Cane Corsos can kill, then why did you buy one?

lots of things can kill. Most do not.

I suggest one way that the number would be reduced is to change the law such that any harm caused by your dog that requires someone to have hospital treatment, or they die, results in a criminal charge the same as if you had caused the injury or death yourself. So a charge of manslaughter if someone dies.

@GelPens1

Anything can kill in the wrong hands.
He's my dog and I know him.
He's well trained, well socialised he's well bred he's looked after he's placid.
Read up about Cane Corsos they are loyal easily trainable dogs which if trained and socialised are not anxious highly strung reactive dogs.
I did my research. I've committed to giving him the best life I can.
He's not a chav docked ill bred animal who is a status - he couldn't be further from that.

I've seen the stats - Jack Russell have killed more people.

My Lhasa was a frightened reactive dog.
When i worked with animals collies and Labs and dachshunds were the ones that were brought in to be PTS due to biting more than any other breed.

I went into owning my dogs with as much knowledge as I can and I am responsible and care about the breed.
He wouldn't have been my first choice as I say he was because my son wanted him but this breed has stolen my heart.
He's a happy dog.
I'm a middle aged woman not a young lad wanting a status. He's just come back from a walk with a spaniel and a Bichon and he was the most polite of the bunch. He's easy to look after and a pleasure to own.
He's currently sitting on my bed with the family hamster. He's more sensitive that any other dog I've owned.

I've been very disturbed by the recent deaths caused by dogs which is probably why I'm on this thread.
But I stand by it's the owners and the lack of training and socialisation that is mostly to blame.

Tbh I think they should he treated like cars.
You do a test to get a provisional dog licence.

You get your dog and have to go to training classes and your dog then needs to pass a test. You should have to have a clear collar "in training" on dogs that haven't passed.

Once your dog has passed perhaps you have an identifying reg that you have to have displayed on collar/lead/yourself to show you are licenced and you're insured. And to make it easier to report an out of control dog. If you're reported you have to go to training again, like a speed awareness course. 3 strikes and you lose your licence. Your dog goes to an adoption centre to be retrained, if it fails its pts. You have to regularly retest, like an MOT, if you fail, retrain and above.

Breeding should be illegal without a licence. Which you get for good conditions, good health of the dogs, good training etc.

We're far to casual about dog ownership but I don't believe in BSL.

The owners need to face a long stretch in prison if their dog kills someone, in the same way if they had a gun and killed someone or knife, if you dont know how to train and look after a dog and keep it under control then you should pay the price if someone loses their life.

Yes. And make it a strict liability offence so owners have to prove they had the animal under control to avoid conviction.

So boring reading the same thing over and over on these threads - "it's not the breed, it's the owner"

Yes of course the owner has huge influence on how a dog behaves, but you don't get Spaniels or Labrador's mauling people to death do you? Its such a stupid argument.

It's always the breeds like American bulldogs etc. these dogs have literally been bred to fight and is ingrained in their DNA. Why on earth anyone would want one is beyond me. It either a status symbol or some sort of macho badge of honour. The people that tend to go for these types of dogs usually aren't the types to spend the money on licenses, keeping them well trained etc.

There's plenty of other dogs breeds to choose from, the ones that are consistently injuring or killing people need to be banned immediately. No matter how well trained a dog is, you can predict how they react at all times.

Oh the irony 😂

But that is also the owner, I mean they choose that type of breed for the wrong reasons, so its still the owner at fault.

I am actually terrified of dogs myself and although I adore my sons whippets I cant walk them as am scared of meeting up with other dogs that they would want to interact with. I add another 10 minutes onto my walk home, I live right next to a small park that is often filled with teenagers and their dogs off lead. so I walk all around the houses to just get to my own home. The dogs are probably fine but they bound up to you and that scared me so I avoid.

I have been out with my DS and his whippets as he promised to protect me and stand between me and any dogs that approach, on one occasion we were walking on a public footpath on farmland and this mastiff type dog in the distance was just standing there staring at us outside the farmhouse, I said to my DS I cant go on and need to turn round. One of his whippets wanted to play and started to approach the mastiff, but we got her back, the dog started to chase and I slowly turned my back and walked off with my son following. He told me I had overreacted but then he said to a lady walking her dog in the same direction to go back as there is an aggressive off lead dog by the farmhouse (so he was concerned but didnt want to scare me at the time.

Another time we were in a field walking them when I heard lots of barking, I instantly looked up and saw a big van with lots of dogs (tiny dogs to be honest) emerging with a lady, I would say she had about 7 dogs all yapping and bustling around. I looked for an exit and my DS told me to not look behind me, when I got back to the car he laughed and said there was a large black dog (not sure of breed) wearing a muzzle which made him look like hannibal lecture of the dog world bounding towards us, again probably playfully but that was it, the last time I could walk the dogs, I do love my DS whippets but they are well trained and wear harnesses and leads, my DS and his DW stop them jumping up and take them for runs in a paid for field rather than a park with others. So whilst terrified of some dogs I do understand the love of dogs as I would hate anything to happy to my DS whippets.

My DS actually has ring camera footage of me trying to be brave and walk the whippets round the block but got to the end of the drive and the neighbours dog ran out, and you can hear me saying to the whippets, "get back" and I return to the house with them trotting dutifully behind me.

Deed NOT breed!!

If it's about the breed and not the owner, why are other immensely powerful dogs not brutally mauling people left right and centre? Where are the deaths by akita, malinois, dogue de Bordeaux, other varieties of mastiff? Lots of dogs were originally bred for fighting and protection. Doesn't mean they're all killing people now.
Probably because these dogs aren't currently the fashion and aren't getting pumped out by unscrupulous breeders for anyone to buy is why they're not really talked about.

Of course it's the breed. You'd have to be mad to say a Cane Corso is less of a threat than a Bichon Frise!

Some dog owners are a bit arrogant - thinking they are somehow never going to own a vicious dog because they are such fantastic trainers. Just don't buy those breeds!

Maybe because there aren't many of them in the uk. Malinois and mastiff type dogs have killed people in Europe and the Usa.