Dogs capable of sending us to hospital/the morgue need to be banned

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Yet another serious dog attack.

uknip.co.uk/Breaking/News/breaking/woman-rushed-to-hospital-after-attack-by-dog-in-the-street/?fbclid=IwAR3bVa7T5KdsbfMlHZqg8CjSCFIkSVJtGYjB8iAZJ5_2C2Rv4tomNMO1ask

YANBU - ban these dogs (bully breeds, huskies, Dobermans etc)
YABU - aw, poor pibbles, must have been provoked

@Barbbarkbark and and PP . In our local park dog walkers are limited to 3 dogs. 7 is way to many I think . I am an experienced dog owner but no way would I take 7 dogs out by myself. Given we have a young one we take 3 out between 2 people ( border terriers - decently trained ad know us. )
I am so sad to hear this but one young woman with 7 dogs - no it should not have happened but I think Dog walkers ( can't remember if she was being paid ) should not be allowed out with more than 3 - friend of mine is a dog walker and he won't do more than 2. This should be scrutinised I think . & even if not a dog walker as a job - I do think it should be a thing you can't take more dogs out than you can control & the dog owner should be responsible enough not to let their dog be walked with so many others & has to take some responsibility.

Vets will be seriously out of pocket.

I think all dogs can be aggressive even beloved retrievers and labs, in lots of cases it's the owner but in lots of cases it's the dogs genetic make up.

I think an owner has to be reasonable and understand their dog. If a dogs unfriendly with people and other dogs then muzzle it. I muzzle one of my dogs because while he's lovely at home, he's an absolute horror on walks and hates everyone and everything. This dog has been with us from a pup, went to socialisation/puppy and training classes and we have other dogs in the house but he's just a dick. I love him to bits but he's on a short lead, muzzled and walked when it's quiet. His litter are all the same, 2 have been rehomed and 2 have been put down. I still have mine and 2 others still have theirs.

I am very much in the camp of the problem being the owner not the breed.

However, just a quick google shows that the US has has 71 fatal dog attacks since 2020 with 57 of those involving at least one Pit Bull. The UK has had 17 fatal dog attacks in the same period with 0 Pit Bulls involved. (But 7 with XL Bullys.)

We'll never know if banning the breed actually did anything in terms of UK attacks but it is interesting.

So overtime you'd make a breed extinct because of humans?

I feel like we already know this isn't good or right.

All dogs are unpredictable,my friend was scarred for life by a Golden retriever. I’d never ban them as they are lively 95% of the time.

YANBU. All dogs can bite but an untrained, poorly socialised Jack Russell is unlikely to kill someone, whereas an untrained, poorly socialised 'XL Bully' could, and they sometimes do.

Some dogs are bred to do a particular job, and are usually happiest if doing that job, or something equivalent e.g. Malinois, Border Collie, Husky. Other dogs are bred simply to be family pets, ideally with good health and temperament. It isn't clear to me how something like an XL Bully is going to be well suited to being either a working dog or a pet, so should they really be bred at all?

I think there absolutely is a problem with certain breeds. I think it's probably a combination of ownership and genetics. Yes, all dogs can bite but I think a) there's a difference between a bite and a full-blown attack and b) most adults would stand a chance with the majority of dogs - not with these highly muscled breeds.

Lots of PP have made really good points and as a dog-lover, it's hard to find the right solution. But maybe the first step should be to bring in licensing - but only for the breeds that could be dangerous? So not just the Bully breeds, but also Rotties, Doberman, huskies, GSD, Akitas etc. Basically if you want a strong and powerful dog, you need to have a license.

Having so few dogs requiring licences should make it easier to enforce and eventually will cut down on the dickhead owners. It's the fatal and dangerous attacks that we need to focus attention on rather than this "all dogs bite" attitude which distracts from the clear problem.

I always worry when Facebook tries to push those House of Asher videos on me because the guy in them is often out on his own with a pack of 20-30 dogs, many with bite histories. He's an accident waiting to happen.

A hamster caused a friend of mine to be hospitalised on IV antibiotics.

Yanbu that link and all the other incidents are very concerning

Interesting that you didn’t mention she had an 11 stone leonberger too. I could fend off 2 dachshunds. A leonberger would kill me because they are huge beasts.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11637121/amp/11st-Leonberger-walked-dog-walker-mauled-death-appeared-BBC-badly-behaved-puppies.html

I think one of the dogs in the walker attack was a malinois, which hasn't yet been caught as it ran off after the attack. A malinois could definitely kill a person. But I agree that the issue was too many dogs. I would feel very nervous with more than three, personally, but an experienced dog walker should limit the amount of dogs they walk at a time for supervision purposes alone.

My mistake, it was a leonburger. I knew it was a big dog with a funny name.

Dog breeds only exist because of humans.

It’s the owners generally. And normally it’s irresponsible male owners who are the problem. Someone earlier in the thread suggested banning men and I think it’s probably the most sensible solution 😂

I’m not voting when the choices are “ban them” or “poor pibbles”, whatever that means. A reasoned debate can’t be had unless you accept that it’s more complex than that.

I needed antibiotics after my son bit me. My hand was puffy, swollen and disgusting.

In retrospect I should have made up a story about fighting off a giant dog. Dammit.

So anything bigger than a chihuahua then?

And horses. Also cars and any kind of vehicle really.

And bacteria those fuckers should be banned, they kill thousands of people a week.

Get a grip. We're not the only species on the planet.

If course kitchen knives are not banned.
But you'd be pretty stupid to take one for a walk right?

We have to start somewhere with this and the fluffy notion that these digs are all perfectly harmless & it's all the wrong type of owners holds no water.

This keeps happening.

So yes absolutely ban XL bullies and any similar breeds that follow.

I think this is another one being reported on today. Woman in her home

Apologies for typos !

It’s like saying a human killed somebody so we best start putting all humans to sleep. A Caucasian English human killed another human so we best wipe them all out because they’re all bad.

TBF I can think of a few humans I’d like to permanently muzzle 😉

For hundreds, if not thousands of years, we have had dogs.

It's quite appalling people think that it's okay to murder a full breed of animal...to protect humans.

And then others wonder why we have a climate crisis? The human greed is why.

I don't like dogs. I don't like them around me. Or in restaurants or shops or anywhere else.

I've been chased and attacked by a dog.

I STILL disagree with banning breeds entirely.

I have a fairly large dog (pointer) who is the gentlest dog ever, known for their affection and love. Just because he is large doesn’t mean he is dangerous. I will add however that certain dangerous breed types that are banned roam the streets usually attached by a chain to someone i wouldn’t trust with a potato gun, and that needs to be clamped down on.
so I partially agree with you…. But only in regards to recognised under UK law dangerous dog breeds.
Dobermans are NOT a problem dog.