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saltinesandcoffeecups · 14/01/2023 18:23

There wasn't any need to try to avoid paying the care home fees, my grandmother had enough money in the bank to cover them.

The POA was just being kind in letting me stay here and I know I should have saved money while I wasn't paying rent but I couldn't manage and now I guess I have to ask them to evict me.

Translation… The POA (who was likely my mother) cheated granny and the estate out of rent for two years. Now I need to get someone else to pay for me to live.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 14/01/2023 18:24

OrangeBlankets · 14/01/2023 18:16

There wasn't any need to try to avoid paying the care home fees, my grandmother had enough money in the bank to cover them.

The POA was just being kind in letting me stay here and I know I should have saved money while I wasn't paying rent but I couldn't manage and now I guess I have to ask them to evict me.

Thank you for helping if you did

When they do evict you, don't expect them to be friendly with you again. You're very entitled.

CovertImage · 14/01/2023 18:32

Christ, to all of the obnoxious bastards on here giving it out to someone with mental issues who's frightened about losing her home, I seriously hope that karma shits on your head one day

CovertImage · 14/01/2023 18:32

"mental health issues"

ChristmasCwtch · 14/01/2023 18:33

This is so ludicrous, it reads like a reverse.

You’ve lived rent free for 2 years. Be grateful for that, rather than bitter you’re being told to stand on your own two feet. It’s no one else’s responsibility that you don’t have somewhere else to move to.

GelPens1 · 14/01/2023 18:33

You’ve been living rent free in a house for 2 years. This means you saved what, £700+ a month? It’s very kind of this person to allow you to live rent free for 2 years. It’s not their responsibility to provide for you for the rest of your life. You’ll just have to find a rental like the majority of people.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 14/01/2023 18:33

CovertImage · 14/01/2023 18:32

Christ, to all of the obnoxious bastards on here giving it out to someone with mental issues who's frightened about losing her home, I seriously hope that karma shits on your head one day

At least if it does I will be assured it’s not because I cheated granny.

ClubhouseGift · 14/01/2023 18:34

CovertImage · 14/01/2023 18:32

Christ, to all of the obnoxious bastards on here giving it out to someone with mental issues who's frightened about losing her home, I seriously hope that karma shits on your head one day

If she was so frightened of losing her home she would have made provisions. She’s been rent free for two years.

Robinni · 14/01/2023 18:35

saltinesandcoffeecups · 14/01/2023 17:56

I think that incapacitated has to be in the legal sense and not just ‘relative who claims MH problems but can get a job and care for a dog’? I think the key is the term Qualifying Dependent. It may be different in the UK (as many things are) but in the US that term has a legal definition and very particular criteria.

For example… there has to be a close qualifying relationship and/or a certain percentage of continued financial support must be given.

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@saltinesandcoffeecups if they are getting UC that is equivalent to what was incapacity benefit or ESA support group they would be deemed to be “incapacitated”.

And OP could classified as dependent as needing Grandmother to provide accommodation etc.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 14/01/2023 18:39

Robinni · 14/01/2023 18:35

@saltinesandcoffeecups if they are getting UC that is equivalent to what was incapacity benefit or ESA support group they would be deemed to be “incapacitated”.

And OP could classified as dependent as needing Grandmother to provide accommodation etc.

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It’s a moot point as the OP has come back to say that it wasn’t an asset hiding activity just a way to live rent free and screw granny

Robinni · 14/01/2023 18:39

@Theluggage15

“She was allowed to live there by a relative who had poa. Anyway, you can’t just pop someone in a house when someone goes into care and avoid it being sold if required.”

if inheritance is at stake and an elderly relative starts to go downhill, family can decide to put someone in to live with them prior to care being required. So that when it is required they have got a dependent in situ to prevent house being taken into account.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 14/01/2023 18:43

CovertImage · 14/01/2023 18:32

Christ, to all of the obnoxious bastards on here giving it out to someone with mental issues who's frightened about losing her home, I seriously hope that karma shits on your head one day

And yet in two years of living rent free in a temporary arrangement, OP never thought to save anything. And is now happy to screw the relatives by having to get them to evict her.

Robinni · 14/01/2023 18:43

@OrangeBlankets thank you for clarifying, I was starting to think you’d been seriously taken advantage of.

Nice that they were kind. Hope that you get good support and advice and are able to move forward from this. All the best.

YetiTeri · 14/01/2023 18:49

OrangeBlankets · 14/01/2023 18:16

There wasn't any need to try to avoid paying the care home fees, my grandmother had enough money in the bank to cover them.

The POA was just being kind in letting me stay here and I know I should have saved money while I wasn't paying rent but I couldn't manage and now I guess I have to ask them to evict me.

Thank you for helping if you did

OP please just ignore the sanctimonious 'well you should have...' bullshit.

Speak to Shelter, don't panic and don't rush. Take care.

SpaceshiptoMars · 14/01/2023 18:53

And OP could classified as dependent as needing Grandmother to provide accommodation etc.

I don't think Granny approved the occupancy, so that's quite a reach! Especially if POA has overreached their powers. Tricky situation though, because perhaps the house wasn't fit for a tenant - repairs required, all the old furniture in situ, old carpets etc. And how would you know what length of tenancy would be required? Especially if inheritance tax had to be paid before the house was sold.

Scienceadvisory · 14/01/2023 19:05

I thought this must be a reverse but nope, seems like the OP really is just selfish and entitled.

You've benefitted from being able to live rent-free for 2 years and have chosen not to save in that time. Now you want to screw over your relative who has been so kind to you by forcing them to evict you. If you had a shred of decency you would leave within the next couple of months, moving into a house share if you have to. Forcing your relative to go via the court route at cost of money, time and stress to them is horribly selfish of you.

No good deed goes unpunished.

YetiTeri · 14/01/2023 19:10

Scienceadvisory · 14/01/2023 19:05

I thought this must be a reverse but nope, seems like the OP really is just selfish and entitled.

You've benefitted from being able to live rent-free for 2 years and have chosen not to save in that time. Now you want to screw over your relative who has been so kind to you by forcing them to evict you. If you had a shred of decency you would leave within the next couple of months, moving into a house share if you have to. Forcing your relative to go via the court route at cost of money, time and stress to them is horribly selfish of you.

No good deed goes unpunished.

So she's chosen to have mental health problems has she? She's mentioned that this several times as to why she wasn't working. If you had any idea of the state of the rental market you'd know it's incredibly hard to get a flat share that allows pets.

You're just being a cruel bully and there is no need for it.

Bellaboo01 · 14/01/2023 19:16

OrangeBlankets · 14/01/2023 09:32

I've been living in a relatives house for more than 2 years. When I moved in the relative was in a care home but the person who had POA for them agreed for me to move in and said it was ok for a short time and that I didn't have to pay rent.

Now the house owner died and so did the POA. The executors want me to move out.

I don't have anywhere to go, can they evict me?

Of course they have to ask you to leave if you have overstayed your invite there.

Can you rent somewhere instead?

You can't expect to live rent free for over two years in your Grandmother's house and surely you cant expect to live in her house that is no longer owned by her!?

saltinesandcoffeecups · 14/01/2023 19:16

YetiTeri · 14/01/2023 19:10

So she's chosen to have mental health problems has she? She's mentioned that this several times as to why she wasn't working. If you had any idea of the state of the rental market you'd know it's incredibly hard to get a flat share that allows pets.

You're just being a cruel bully and there is no need for it.

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She’s a bully for stating the obvious? The OP has been taking advantage of Grandma for 2 years to the tune of 10’s of thousands by colluding with the POA!

Unbelievable that anyone could or would defend this.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 14/01/2023 19:21

And for anyone defending the OP on the basis of mental health… anyone stop to think that there was high likelihood of Granny suffering from Dementia? It’s very telling that the OP never states that Granny agreed to this situation.

Can you honestly say it’s ok to take advantage of this situation for 2 years?

VictoriaBun · 14/01/2023 19:23

You have lived for 2 years , rent free in your gmothers house , and because you are not included in the will you state she wasn't a nice person.
let's say rent is £500 a month that's £6k, a year x 2 . That's quite a nice sum.

Trianglesquarerectangle · 14/01/2023 19:24

I wonder if the reason why OP won’t disclose how the will is ‘unfair’ is because the other beneficiaries found out about the arrangement without the POA knowing and made sure Granny knew meaning that the cost of this free arrangement came off the slice the mother/father/whatever the POA was. After all, I can’t imagine they didn’t find out. The state and occupancy of the house of a parent would be of interest to the family. I really hope that’s the case. Talk about karma

Trianglesquarerectangle · 14/01/2023 19:25

Ah sorry I skipped on the fact that she wasn’t mentioned. Maybe other grandkids were and that’s why it’s unfair. Again, the family found out about the arrangement and feel she already had her share.

Scienceadvisory · 14/01/2023 19:35

YetiTeri · 14/01/2023 19:10

So she's chosen to have mental health problems has she? She's mentioned that this several times as to why she wasn't working. If you had any idea of the state of the rental market you'd know it's incredibly hard to get a flat share that allows pets.

You're just being a cruel bully and there is no need for it.

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I have mental health problems. Nobody chooses to have health problems but we can choose how we act. Not once have I used my mental illnesses as an excuse to take advantage of an elderly relative. I have had to either work or claim benefits just like most people with mental health problems who don't have a vulnerable relative to sponge off.

I know its difficult to find a flat share with a pet- that's why I bloody didn't get a pet when my housing was insecure. It was thoughtless of the OP to get a pet when she knew her housing was temporary. She should have been planning ahead but instead she expects others to continually make sacrifices for her.

Livelovebehappy · 14/01/2023 19:35

I think granny was well aware of the character of OP, hence why she wasn’t left anything in the will. Maybe OP has always been a free loader and granny had been bailing her out for years so didn’t think she was entitled to anything else? None of us will ever know the truth behind it will we, as we are just getting one side to the story.