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Asked to move from relatives house

563 replies

OrangeBlankets · 14/01/2023 09:32

I've been living in a relatives house for more than 2 years. When I moved in the relative was in a care home but the person who had POA for them agreed for me to move in and said it was ok for a short time and that I didn't have to pay rent.

Now the house owner died and so did the POA. The executors want me to move out.

I don't have anywhere to go, can they evict me?

OP posts:
CaraVann · 14/01/2023 13:39

The AIBU board has some right nasty fuckers on here at times.
We have no idea what the OP has gone through in her life.
I am sorry what you are going through op, sometimes life isn’t as black and white as people here on MN like to believe.
The grandmother may well have been a horrible person and may have had no idea OP was in her house, she may have had dementia and been totally unaware of anything.
Who owns the house now OP? Have you sat down and asked them to give you a few months grace so you can gather up enough savings for a deposit on a flat rent (some will take dogs)?

GalwayShawl · 14/01/2023 13:42

You’ve got a bloody cheek OP. Honestly why would you try and make somebody’s life harder when they’ve just lost a parent and have to deal with all the paperwork.

Two years rent free - time to get a grip.

SheRasBra · 14/01/2023 13:42

I apologise if this has already been said but will your grandmother's estate be subject to probate? If the executors have to apply for probate in order to sell the house then this could buy you a little more time.

Of course you need to start looking for somewhere asap but I would ask your relatives for a reasonable amount of time to get sorted. You have kept the house safe by living there - insurance premiums are significantly higher on empty properties and there are usually other conditions imposed.

I hope you find something soon.

Theluggage15 · 14/01/2023 13:45

CaraVann · 14/01/2023 13:39

The AIBU board has some right nasty fuckers on here at times.
We have no idea what the OP has gone through in her life.
I am sorry what you are going through op, sometimes life isn’t as black and white as people here on MN like to believe.
The grandmother may well have been a horrible person and may have had no idea OP was in her house, she may have had dementia and been totally unaware of anything.
Who owns the house now OP? Have you sat down and asked them to give you a few months grace so you can gather up enough savings for a deposit on a flat rent (some will take dogs)?

Yes, people being realistic is sooo nasty. The OP didn’t like the grandmother whose house she was living in rent free for 2 years, said her will was unfair, she’s clearly not bothered that she’s dead, but other relatives might be upset and OP is making things worse for them. You know what the relatives have been through do you? How do you know they don’t have issues?

Dreamsoffreedomjoyandpeace · 14/01/2023 13:47

It’s upsetting to know that people think the op is ‘entitled’ because she’s terrified of having nowhere to live. No-one should even be commenting unless they know what it’s like to suffer with mental health problems and the lethargy and paralysis this can cause. Some of us need help to manage in this society and that isn’t anything to be ashamed of.

Someone said something about receiving disability benefits for mental health problems. What a joke! There’s no help available.

Funkyblues101 · 14/01/2023 13:48

The homeowner died, the POA died... Surely the news that you had to move out did not come as a surprise?

Florissant · 14/01/2023 13:49

Funkyblues101 · 14/01/2023 13:48

The homeowner died, the POA died... Surely the news that you had to move out did not come as a surprise?

It seems to have.

Macaroni46 · 14/01/2023 13:51

Dreamsoffreedomjoyandpeace · 14/01/2023 13:47

It’s upsetting to know that people think the op is ‘entitled’ because she’s terrified of having nowhere to live. No-one should even be commenting unless they know what it’s like to suffer with mental health problems and the lethargy and paralysis this can cause. Some of us need help to manage in this society and that isn’t anything to be ashamed of.

Someone said something about receiving disability benefits for mental health problems. What a joke! There’s no help available.

Oh come on. She's had 2 years to sort out her living arrangements. The fact that the GM was in a nursing home and there was a POA suggest that the arrangement was only ever going to be temporary.

SueVineer · 14/01/2023 13:51

Of course they can evict you. It’s not your house and you’ve already been living there two years without paying any rent. You need to get help and advice to get yourself a place- it may not be possible to keep the dog.

op does come across as pretty selfish and entitled- lives in a house for free for two years then her gran isn’t nice or fair as she didn’t leave it to her!

josephjohnson · 14/01/2023 13:57

There's a huge lack of empathy on here.
The POA allowed the OP to stay in her grandmother's house. Not the grandmother who I assume no longer had capacity to agree to that. So yes the grandmother may well have been not a nice person as the OP said.
The OP has MH issues and is now probably very scared about what happens next. Yes they have been lucky to have lived rent free. But if they are living off benefits due to being too ill to work, then they won't have "thousands saved" then they would have usually paid in rent. Had they had rent to pay, it's highly likely it would have been paid through UC / housing benefit.
Yes realistically the OP may need to regime her dog, but please can people try and understand the importance of having a dog as a companion when you live alone and you're unwell.
And those saying how could she make the now-owners go through the eviction process, that it's cruel. Well that's the way our system works. The council don't consider you homeless until you've been officially evicted. It's shit but it is what it is.

OP I'm sorry you're facing this and I wish you all the best.

SueVineer · 14/01/2023 14:00

Trainspotted · 14/01/2023 11:32

The largest growing group of homeless people is women in their early 50's. They are disproportionally affected by divorce and due to caring duties one way or another when the kids leave home they are screwed. All the nasty comments on here about this ladies predicament clearly demonstrate peoples attitude that the inheritance ie free money due should be protected above the housing needs of a fellow human. What a story state this world is in.

The op has been living somewhere for free for two years. It’s not her property and she needs to make alternative arrangements. You have no idea of the situation of the beneficiaries. Ultimately it’s not the ops house (and she doesn’t pay rent) she has been living for free for long enough.

Maytodecember · 14/01/2023 14:10

Can see the situation you’re in, you don’t have any rights to stay in the property, I don’t think the tenancy agreement you had with POA was valid.
Time to think outside the box for housing. Could you look for a live in job? Somewhere with animals ( kennels, farm, animals charity, petting farm)
Friend got a live in job as a housekeeper, though that was in Europe, not sure how easy it is in UK.
Can you drive? Would you be able to get a camper van and be a site warden?
Just remembered another friend worked as a live in companion/ carer but they were short term posts, she stayed a few weeks at each.
If you are evicted and can’t get in anywhere with your dog call the Cinnamon Trust as they may be able to arrange foster care.
Good luck, I hope things work out for you.

MagpieCastle · 14/01/2023 14:16

Tune out the judgemental comments from people who don’t know you nor anything about your life experience. Knocking people who are already down can be the sport of choice for some on AIBU. As others have advised, get advice from CAB and focus on what you need to do from this point onwards. Arm yourself with as much practical support as possible. When dealing with stressful stuff it’s possible to freeze and feel helpless but you will discover reserves of strength and find a way move on from this. Sending you all best wishes for the future.

PurpleFlower1983 · 14/01/2023 14:16

Sorry you’re in this position OP, as others have said go to CAB for some advice and get your name on the council list. It might be better for them to evict you then you can declare yourself homeless. You may have to get a friend or family member to care for the dog short term.

MojoDaysxx · 14/01/2023 14:16

Visit you CAB. They'll be able to inform you of your options. Also, contact your local council, perhaps they may be able to help.
Ignore, those you have been very blunt. They don't walk in your shoes.

YouJustDoYou · 14/01/2023 14:17

josephjohnson · 14/01/2023 13:57

There's a huge lack of empathy on here.
The POA allowed the OP to stay in her grandmother's house. Not the grandmother who I assume no longer had capacity to agree to that. So yes the grandmother may well have been not a nice person as the OP said.
The OP has MH issues and is now probably very scared about what happens next. Yes they have been lucky to have lived rent free. But if they are living off benefits due to being too ill to work, then they won't have "thousands saved" then they would have usually paid in rent. Had they had rent to pay, it's highly likely it would have been paid through UC / housing benefit.
Yes realistically the OP may need to regime her dog, but please can people try and understand the importance of having a dog as a companion when you live alone and you're unwell.
And those saying how could she make the now-owners go through the eviction process, that it's cruel. Well that's the way our system works. The council don't consider you homeless until you've been officially evicted. It's shit but it is what it is.

OP I'm sorry you're facing this and I wish you all the best.

So? Many, many of us have mental health issues. We still have to get up and pay the bills and survive every day. She buried her head in the sand, lived rent free for two years, could've used that time wisely but didn't. Whether mental health is the excuse or not, it is what it is, she did nothing to plan or save and is now having to live with the consequences. What does she expect, to continue living there rent-free?

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 14/01/2023 14:19

Florissant · 14/01/2023 13:36

I agree! I had to laugh at the idea that I'm jealous: I own my own home. Why would I be jealous of the OP?

It's not jealousy, more like negative solidarity. It plagued the British for some reason.

Crazycrazylady · 14/01/2023 14:24

Of course they can evict you. If they are selling the house.in your head did you really expect just to be able to stay there for ever.
You can drag it out a bit and force an eviction but that increase the likely hood of other potential landlords avoiding you like the plague

Mynewhome · 14/01/2023 14:32

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 14/01/2023 13:34

Not being rude but jealous of what? OP doesn't have a home of her own and is being evicted. People aren't responding how they are because they're jealous, they are being realistic. OP has no legal right to stay in the house.

She has a legal right to stay until eviction.

Nanny0gg · 14/01/2023 14:37

Robinni · 14/01/2023 11:28

Yes you will have to leave.

How, after saving on rent for over two years, have you no means to go anywhere else??

Maybe read her posts?

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 14/01/2023 14:39

She has a legal right to stay until eviction.

But not forever which is what she's angling towards. And if she wants to stay until eviction, she has to be prepared to sour relations with the family. Its time to be responsible and pay for housing herself.

Florissant · 14/01/2023 14:43

Mynewhome · 14/01/2023 14:32

She has a legal right to stay until eviction.

Only a very selfish, entitled person would do that.

Oh, wait.

Topseyt123 · 14/01/2023 14:51

Mynewhome · 14/01/2023 14:32

She has a legal right to stay until eviction.

She might have that right. However, if she exercised it then how would that work with family relations, which I would surmise could already be somewhat rocky with some relatives? Also, landlords and others can be very reluctant to take on others who they find have been evicted. Not always fair there, but that's how it is.

Better to be cooperative and work with the executors and beneficiaries rather than against them and make further enemies for no gain.

PuzzledObserver · 14/01/2023 14:52

Most people leave their houses to their children. They also often appoint one or more of their children as their Attorney, and make them executor of their will.

If that’s the case here, then the attorney who agreed to OP staying in the house was either her parent, uncle or aunt - and they have now died. That leaves the remaining siblings coping with the death of both their mother and a sibling in quick succession, having to act as executor on their mother’s estate, which includes a house with a sitting tenant. Which is a lot for anyone to take on.

OP, I’m sorry to hear about your mental health issues. Please understand that your uncle/aunt/parent or whoever these executors are to you are also dealing with a lot. They have a right to their inheritance, you do not have a right to stay in the house.

But as has already been said - if you leave voluntarily without somewhere else set up, you will be deemed by the council to have made yourself intentionally homeless. So the best course of action is to talk to shelter/CAB and the council ASAP. BUT also talk to the executors and explain the situation to them. Them taking steps towards eviction may actually be necessary and help you find somewhere else more quickly.

Robinni · 14/01/2023 15:07

Nanny0gg · 14/01/2023 14:37

Maybe read her posts?

@Nanny0gg This was my initial response being aghast at how a grown adult could be given such an enormous privilege and not have made anything out of it. And be asking for more.

I then read OP’s posts and understood the situation more fully, giving appropriate advice. Read my posts further on in the thread.

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