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Lodger cranks up heating to 25

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Mumskisail · 05/01/2023 10:37

My partner left a few years ago and I had time off work for burnout and now in a less stressful (lower paid) role so on a tight income. I rent 2 rooms to help cover my mortgage and bills (about 40%).

The house is heated to 18-21 degrees depending on the room / personal preference, using Nest thermostats (called TRVs) on each radiator. It is lowered at 11pm until 5.30am, meaning it's warm for about an hour after going to bed and it heats up for a few hours before the lodgers get up.

One lodger is very happy with this and prefers a cooler room so sometimes turns it down.

But the other constantly overrides this and heats his room to 25. When I've tried to speak to him about it he answers his door in a tshirt and is only wearing normal socks. The rest of us have warm clothes, slippers and big fleece hoodies on winter evenings, and use fleece blankets to stay cosy on the sofa.

We seem to be in a battle of wills. He goes along with my suggested times and temperatures in discussion but has done everything including claiming his radiator and the TRV don't work, disconnecting the TRV but trying to make it look as though it's connected, saying it won't connect and pulling the little pin out with a pair of pliers to force the heating on. He leaves it on all night. The thermostat when it's reading says 25-26.

The other issue in this old Victorian house is that the heating pumping out all night causes banging in the pipes and keeps myself and the other lodger awake, or wakes us up in the night. So we prefer lots of layers and a quiet night unless we're in a cold patch.

I've offered him extra duvets and blankets (his looks thin) and a hot water bottle but he refuses. I've asked him to discuss the times he wants the heating on and to talk about the heating.

He says the temperature reading is wrong so I gave him a wireless thermostat which showed the same temperature as the TRV and showed it was correct.

I've explained about the increasing cost of gas and showed him my bills. I've showed him the temperatures in the rest of the house and that we are comfortable.

This is the second winter we are having these issues. Last year his sister died so I just kept my mouth shut and left him to it but I felt really unhappy.

Do I just suck it up, winter will be over soon and I'm not making a loss. Or do I tell him it's not acceptable and ask him to leave? Or is it better the devil you know, this is the only issue.

A friend suggested a locking cover to go over the TRV, I'm so irritated it's tempting but is that really ethical? And anyway would he then just get an electric heater? I don't go into his room and I would never snoop.

He's a 44 year old man having to rent a room and it must be his sanctuary and private space.

Do I just let him win the battle and chill out?

OP posts:
SquashesPumpkinsAutumnBliss · 05/01/2023 13:32

Ask him to leave, or increase the amount he pays!

MzHz · 05/01/2023 13:34

RedHelenB · 05/01/2023 13:19

He's living there too and paying OPs mortgage . Not everyone wants to be under layers and layers of fleecy blankets.

Aaaaand he has no rights to live there UNLESS @Mumskisail wishes.

increasing the guys rent doesn’t solve the problem or a too hot house, sleep disturbance and increased costs.

our bills are not about to tumble any time soon

he is not a tenant, this is not a hotel or a bed and breakfast, he’s sharing the OP’s home

she Can ask him to leave at any time for any reason

his contempt and lack of respect is more than enough to be told to take a hike.

Southeastdweller · 05/01/2023 13:36

You should have thought about this before you drew up the rental agreement. It doesn't matter what the other lodger likes, bit weird to even mention this.

And yes, totally unethical to put a locking cover on the TVR. That would be really low. Like you say, he would likely get a heater anyway - they're so cheap to buy and that's what I'd do - but having been on both sides of the same situation, things like this are rarely resolved, so best to give him notice and draw up a new agreement for the next person.

Calphurnia88 · 05/01/2023 13:36

Flapjackquack · 05/01/2023 13:27

@Calphurnia88 - Do you know the name of the thread about the man and the pudding ?

New (ish) man being odd about bringing contribution to meal

Be warned, its 35 pages and not all that interesting. You can tell who was and wasn't having an exciting NYE 😅

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 05/01/2023 13:36

HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 13:02

The fact he's an arse doesn't make the OP any less of an arse, but regardless he should be allowed to wear a t-shirt by virtue of the fact that she didn't make an issue of it until winter and had plenty of time to address it.

Her fault, not his.

Huh?

He should be allowed should he?

No... For the life of me I can't work that one out.

It's not free accommodation. It's not a telly programme. Not a social science experiment. Not Sixth Form at St Hillary's.

It's real life. And lots of the time you don't get your own way... Unless you are the one paying the bills.

ivykaty44 · 05/01/2023 13:37

If it's not written in a tenancy agreement then you can't expect people to just agree on things like a hive mind.

lodgers don't have tenancy agreements and he is living in a live in landlords property - so they do have to go by the house rules set by live in landlord - its not a house share and he can leave tomorrow without notice, same as LL can ask him to leave asap

if the temperature was set at under 18 then there would be issue to go to private renting at council but if for the majority of the day the house was at 18 then they'd mediate that he is being daft and needs to put more clothing on if cold

Cocorico22 · 05/01/2023 13:38

Asking him to pay up is the reasonable option.

But am I missing something here, is there no override for the heating elsewhere in the house? Like a timer or main thermostat for the whole central heating? You can turn that down at 11 and back on in the morning and if he doesn't like it he can lump it!

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 05/01/2023 13:38

HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 13:10

Totally reasonable when that's your agreement with the tenant. Which it was by virtue of the fact it happened last year.

Don't like it, don't rent a room. It's a business not an atm.

Don't like it? Don't rent a room to him.

It's OPs home. He has very few rights. Which is what he chose when he became a lodger.

Entitlement and responsibilities go both ways.

Flapjackquack · 05/01/2023 13:39

Calphurnia88 · 05/01/2023 13:36

New (ish) man being odd about bringing contribution to meal

Be warned, its 35 pages and not all that interesting. You can tell who was and wasn't having an exciting NYE 😅

😂 thanks!

DesertIslandCondiment · 05/01/2023 13:39

snowlolo · 05/01/2023 13:30

It's a completely subjective opinion. People are not all the same. Just because you think something is normal or reasonable doesn't mean everyone else does.

I bet he'd put a jumper on if it was his house and his bills had increased.

SnowdroppersUnite · 05/01/2023 13:41

He's not a tenant and this is not a business. He's a lodger. This is a much less formal arrangement. If his preferences are incompatible with the person whose house it is, then it's not a match and he can go.

billy1966 · 05/01/2023 13:41

Give him notice, he's a CF.

He's a mug made out of you.

No discussion.

He's disrespectful of YOUR home snd clearly isn't happy.

Get rid.

Southeastdweller · 05/01/2023 13:42

ivykaty44 · 05/01/2023 13:37

If it's not written in a tenancy agreement then you can't expect people to just agree on things like a hive mind.

lodgers don't have tenancy agreements and he is living in a live in landlords property - so they do have to go by the house rules set by live in landlord - its not a house share and he can leave tomorrow without notice, same as LL can ask him to leave asap

if the temperature was set at under 18 then there would be issue to go to private renting at council but if for the majority of the day the house was at 18 then they'd mediate that he is being daft and needs to put more clothing on if cold

Lodgers have rights:

www.tenancyagreementservice.co.uk/lodger-agreements-contracts

Mumskisail · 05/01/2023 13:42

Thanks all, goodness some very diverse views and passionate responses. Not sure I agree with some of the judgements and assumptions/ accusations but it's certainly very helpful to consider the situation from different perspectives.

OP posts:
silverbubbles · 05/01/2023 13:43

This sounds too stressful. Tell him that lodgers have become too expensive for you and that you don't feel a substantial rent increase is fair on him so he needs to leave.

ButterflyOil · 05/01/2023 13:44

Out of interest would people think it was reasonable if it was a hot climate and one person wore winter clothing and ran air con at full blast vs taking off jumper and extra blankets?

MugginsOverEre · 05/01/2023 13:44

A lodger has very few rights. Little more than a houseguest.

Give him his notice.

DesertIslandCondiment · 05/01/2023 13:45

ButterflyOil · 05/01/2023 13:44

Out of interest would people think it was reasonable if it was a hot climate and one person wore winter clothing and ran air con at full blast vs taking off jumper and extra blankets?

No, it would be as unintelligent as the 25 degress and sitting in beach wear in the middle of winter.

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 13:46

Anyone who does not have a tenancy agreement with their lodger is being foolish.

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Quincythequince · 05/01/2023 13:47

Mumskisail · 05/01/2023 10:37

My partner left a few years ago and I had time off work for burnout and now in a less stressful (lower paid) role so on a tight income. I rent 2 rooms to help cover my mortgage and bills (about 40%).

The house is heated to 18-21 degrees depending on the room / personal preference, using Nest thermostats (called TRVs) on each radiator. It is lowered at 11pm until 5.30am, meaning it's warm for about an hour after going to bed and it heats up for a few hours before the lodgers get up.

One lodger is very happy with this and prefers a cooler room so sometimes turns it down.

But the other constantly overrides this and heats his room to 25. When I've tried to speak to him about it he answers his door in a tshirt and is only wearing normal socks. The rest of us have warm clothes, slippers and big fleece hoodies on winter evenings, and use fleece blankets to stay cosy on the sofa.

We seem to be in a battle of wills. He goes along with my suggested times and temperatures in discussion but has done everything including claiming his radiator and the TRV don't work, disconnecting the TRV but trying to make it look as though it's connected, saying it won't connect and pulling the little pin out with a pair of pliers to force the heating on. He leaves it on all night. The thermostat when it's reading says 25-26.

The other issue in this old Victorian house is that the heating pumping out all night causes banging in the pipes and keeps myself and the other lodger awake, or wakes us up in the night. So we prefer lots of layers and a quiet night unless we're in a cold patch.

I've offered him extra duvets and blankets (his looks thin) and a hot water bottle but he refuses. I've asked him to discuss the times he wants the heating on and to talk about the heating.

He says the temperature reading is wrong so I gave him a wireless thermostat which showed the same temperature as the TRV and showed it was correct.

I've explained about the increasing cost of gas and showed him my bills. I've showed him the temperatures in the rest of the house and that we are comfortable.

This is the second winter we are having these issues. Last year his sister died so I just kept my mouth shut and left him to it but I felt really unhappy.

Do I just suck it up, winter will be over soon and I'm not making a loss. Or do I tell him it's not acceptable and ask him to leave? Or is it better the devil you know, this is the only issue.

A friend suggested a locking cover to go over the TRV, I'm so irritated it's tempting but is that really ethical? And anyway would he then just get an electric heater? I don't go into his room and I would never snoop.

He's a 44 year old man having to rent a room and it must be his sanctuary and private space.

Do I just let him win the battle and chill out?

Kick the cheeky fucker out.
You are being bullied and disrespected in your own home.

Don’t allow it.

Leethos · 05/01/2023 13:47

AnotherDelphinium · 05/01/2023 12:58

@Mumskisail I've had lodgers since 2013, I've only had to ask one to go, and that was similar to this; she'd crank the thermostat up to 28C and sit in the lounge in her pjs all day. You've moved to a lower stress job, move to a lower stress lodger. I cannot tell you the sheer relief I felt after asking her to leave and then when she was gone.

If he's an arse to the level of removing the TRVs etc, he's an arse about other things, get gone. You'll have no problem filling the room and it will be such a hassle off your plate!

@Leethos I'm assuming Nest is similar to Hive which is the one I'm familiar with, as well as a Hive thermostat (in the hall, now pretty redundant) you have a Hive smart TRV on each radiator, you can then set a specific schedule for each radiator/room, and it uses heat on demand so 'calls' for heat and switches on the boiler as and when needed.

For all PP saying they won't layer up in their own home, I'm just flabbergasted.

@AnotherDelphinium they're very similar in terms of the thermostat on the wall however Nest don't manufacture a smart TRV head so they would have to be from another manufacturer and then controlled via a different app to the stat, hence the reason for my confusion.
The Hive system you have is far better in terms of overall control at each radiator because when the TRV calls for heat it will bring on the boiler thats not the case with a traditional mechanical TRV which just regulates the flow into the radiator but if the Nest isn't calling for heat the radiator will stay cold.

ortonym · 05/01/2023 13:47

The other issue in this old Victorian house is that the heating pumping out all night causes banging in the pipes and keeps myself and the other lodger awake, or wakes us up in the night.

I live in an old Victorian house with central heating. The pipes don't bang at any time and I doubt very much that your house had central heating installed when it was built in Victorian times...
I think your radiators probably need bleeding and possibly the system completely flushing, but that's a job for summer - the flushing, that is.

If his room genuinely is at 25, perhaps there is an underlying reason for him feeling cold. I'll let you consider what these reasons (illegal or medical) may be.

DesertIslandCondiment · 05/01/2023 13:48

The people sticking up for the lodger.

If you had a teenager sat in a t-shirt complaining they were cold would you not just tell them to put a jumper on as the house was an OK temperature. I know the teenager is not paying rent but turning the heating up to 25 degrees in both cases is going to cost the home owner a lot more money.

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 13:48

Legally you have to give reasonable notice to evict a lodger which is usually 28 days. You can't just put them out on the street.
So many people on here who do not understand the law.