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Plane landing

396 replies

Atadconfussed · 04/01/2023 16:28

Trigger warning flying for those that may not be keen … x

Am I being unreasonable to think that the below was a bit concerning / any pilots want to enlighten me?!
have flown a lot when younger / pre children but felt this was different

budget airline flight, approx 300 passengers Boeing 737
landing very wobbly on approach ( think close to runway)
huge bang on landing / touch down landing gear
worst bit!!! Very very intense what felt like attempts to break without slowing …. Loudest reverse thrust noise ever and the cabin shaking so so much
I felt pinned back in my seat and awaited a huge issue!
afterwards everyone was studded … one women crying and a few choice words heard through the cabin….
Thoughts please

OP posts:
Kinnorafron · 05/01/2023 16:29

Inyournightgarden · 05/01/2023 13:21

I’m sorry but you are wrong. Each airline will ask/encourage their pilots to fly with whatever approach they want. Most airlines general instruction is get the plane on the ground and it’s up to you who you do it. Ryanair are well known for encouraging their pilots to make firm landings. I don’t want to reveal who I am or what I do but I can say this with 110% certainty

Fair enough - I don't obviously have your professional background - but I did take over 200 Ryanair flights in a year once and as a passenger I really can't say I noticed any difference, but if you say so.

TeresaCrowd · 05/01/2023 16:47

I've just lost a load of time in this thread! I remember watching the A380 take off at Farnborough whe it was new at the airshow, on a runway shall we say somewhat too short for it, though I imagine far from fully loaded so no doubt within the safety tolerances, and that was very much handbrake on, full power, handbrake off and get it sent. The car was parked just on from the end of the runway so that was a bit squeaky LOL. Favourite landing was a full instrument into Zurich when you couldnt see a thing even when you were on the ground view out of the window was basically nothing as well, that was quite an experience compared to the normal views you get. Innsbruck is a pretty challenging one too, because it's in an alpine valley and you get weird wind patterns, but the views on a clear day are stunning

Catinabeanbag · 05/01/2023 16:56

Cluj-Napoca airport in Romania used to have a notoriously short runway (since been extended). Luckily the friend we were flying with warned us about this beforehand - I've never had a landing like it. Hard touch down then rear thrusters etc slammed on. All the loose debris on the floor of the cabin went flying forwards.
Take off flying out was short and sharp!!

notimagain · 05/01/2023 17:12

Kinnorafron · 05/01/2023 16:29

Fair enough - I don't obviously have your professional background - but I did take over 200 Ryanair flights in a year once and as a passenger I really can't say I noticed any difference, but if you say so.

That comment's a wind up...

Airlines, well the reputable ones, very much definitely don't behave in the manner described by the poster.

Ryanair (and other airlines ) very much insist their pilots land iaw the advice from Boeing/Airbus, as appropriate.

Inyournightgarden · 05/01/2023 17:37

notimagain · 05/01/2023 17:12

That comment's a wind up...

Airlines, well the reputable ones, very much definitely don't behave in the manner described by the poster.

Ryanair (and other airlines ) very much insist their pilots land iaw the advice from Boeing/Airbus, as appropriate.

It’s not a wind up. Airlines do allow and encourage certain flying styles, all well within legal and safe parameters. Most don’t really say much about landing techniques other than get it down safely, Ryanair are the exception, they do actively encourage their pilots to plant the plane firmly on the runway, anything else is frowned upon. At BA, And other airlines, they are far less concerned about specifying this in my experience.

boeing and airbus (and other manufacturers too but they’re probably the only two you’ve heard of), don’t encourage pilots to land in any specific way, they just tell them the min/max criteria and abilities and it’s up to the pilot/airline to work within those parameters

Onnabugeisha · 05/01/2023 17:39

Normal landing when any sort of average cross wind happening. I see it was in Bristol….so yes coastal airports usually have stiff breezes to contend with.

fajitaaaa · 05/01/2023 17:45

Onnabugeisha · 05/01/2023 17:39

Normal landing when any sort of average cross wind happening. I see it was in Bristol….so yes coastal airports usually have stiff breezes to contend with.

Bristol isn't by the coast? Is it? I thought it was by a river and wales

Zazazoolly · 05/01/2023 17:47

Probably the weather. Very common this time of year with high winds etc and nothing to be concerned about

Pleasepleasepleaseno · 05/01/2023 17:49

I was once on a flight where the cabin crew forgot to properly shut the oven(?) doors so all the food, and plates and trays flew out and crashed into the aisle on take off!
Once everyone got over the shock.from the enormous crash we realised we had no bloody food. Still since it didnt mean the plane was broken and we were all going to die nobody seemed to mind too much 😆

notimagain · 05/01/2023 17:54

Inyournightgarden · 05/01/2023 17:37

It’s not a wind up. Airlines do allow and encourage certain flying styles, all well within legal and safe parameters. Most don’t really say much about landing techniques other than get it down safely, Ryanair are the exception, they do actively encourage their pilots to plant the plane firmly on the runway, anything else is frowned upon. At BA, And other airlines, they are far less concerned about specifying this in my experience.

boeing and airbus (and other manufacturers too but they’re probably the only two you’ve heard of), don’t encourage pilots to land in any specific way, they just tell them the min/max criteria and abilities and it’s up to the pilot/airline to work within those parameters

Apologies I completely misread the tone..

"Airlines do allow and encourage certain flying styles, all well within legal and safe parameters"

Yep, I know, and agree pretty much with all that follows in your post.

The general public do like giving FR a kick over just about anything but I know that their training/checking etc was highly regarded and is reflected in the safety record...

I had the pleasure of flying with a few ex Ryanair pilots in my final years at another airline and working with them it was obvious they had come from an airline that had a highly professional culture on the flight deck.

HTH and apologies again for any misunderstanding.

Michmorant · 05/01/2023 17:55

If its landing at Leeds Bradford it's normal . There is a bump on the runway which makes a thud .

HeidInTheBaw · 05/01/2023 17:57

Perfectly normal, especially on short runways with windy weather conditions. ( Ex 737 Cabin Crew married to a pilot for my sins )

Its when the pilot comes over the PA and asks the number one flight attendant to go to the flight deck immediately that you might have to be slightly worried.

notimagain · 05/01/2023 18:04

@Inyournightgarden

PS..

"At BA, And other airlines, they are far less concerned about specifying this in my experience."

Perhaps...trainers at BA were certainly very keen, increasingly so in recent years, on people not floating the darn thing on landing - the emphasis time and time again was "Boeing landings" iaw the FCTM...

Certainly land long enough to ring bells on the monitoring system and you could expect a phone call, I guess Ryanair is similar.

Mrsherdwick · 05/01/2023 18:13

@StClare101 On a Garuda flight my dh shoved me into the brace position. As he was a RAF pilot I figured he knew something I didn’t!!! Scared me witless.

OatMilkLattes · 05/01/2023 18:17

I had a landing recently that was pretty scary - we were nearly on the runway and all of a sudden we went back up again, so fast so we were all pinned to our seats. No one told us what happened for a good 20 mins so we were all panicking a bit just flying around not really knowing anything.

Turns out there was already a plane that got in before us.

Although it was a bit scary, I did have full trust in the staff and pilot though. I feel like this sort of thing is pretty common!

Chumbawomble · 05/01/2023 18:18

I haven't flown for twenty years after a vile landing.....at Bristol. Attempt 1: the wing nearly touched the runway so we took off again with a huge blast. The pilot said 'sorry, we'll try it one more time otherwise we'll go to Cardiff instead'. We made it down but it was terrifying and people were crying and being ill. I couldn't process that we had landed. Might try a flight again one day but not from Bristol...

lieselotte · 05/01/2023 18:21

Mangledrake · 05/01/2023 00:33

My favourite is Bratislava-Vienna.

I mean, which country is this airport meant to be in?

Or Basel airport, which is actually in France but is called Euroairport Basel Mulhouse Freiburg Airport.

sleephelp2022 · 05/01/2023 18:21

I've not read the whole thread but erm yeah, this sounds like every single landing that ever exists? What you are describing sounds normal. Sometimes they are loud and bangy on the landing, never concerns me and often people act shocked when the plan lands which I've never understood.

I'm a frequent but nervous flyer and yeah, this is standard. Ryanair are the worst but the same happens with Emirates flights too 🤷🏼‍♀️

wonderstuff · 05/01/2023 18:22

So glad I read this, flying out of Bristol in a few weeks, wasn’t going to book seats, but have reconsidered given the higher chance of bumpy take off and landing.

My worst was going into Majorca in cross winds, we were descending quickly, but I couldn’t see an airport, landed with a big bump.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 05/01/2023 18:23

OatMilkLattes · 05/01/2023 18:17

I had a landing recently that was pretty scary - we were nearly on the runway and all of a sudden we went back up again, so fast so we were all pinned to our seats. No one told us what happened for a good 20 mins so we were all panicking a bit just flying around not really knowing anything.

Turns out there was already a plane that got in before us.

Although it was a bit scary, I did have full trust in the staff and pilot though. I feel like this sort of thing is pretty common!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go-around

Go-arounds occur with an average rate of 1–3 per 1000 approaches.[1] There is a large variation of go-around rates among different aircraft operators and operational environments. A go-around is not an emergency, and may be necessary for a number of reasons. Some of those include; unstable approach, unable to land in the touchdown zone, not in correct configuration, directed by ATC, obstacle on the runway (aircraft, vehicle, animal), or aircraft controllability issues.

A go-around is a relatively rare manoeuvre for most commercial pilots. On average, a short-haul pilot may make a go-around once or twice a year, and a long-haul pilot may make one every 2 to 3 years.

JDEE72 · 05/01/2023 18:24

Yikes.

sounds rough, but about right for the airline and location/conditions.

I was 28 when I flew for the first time.

went to Lesvos, the plane landed with a thump and a huge skid off the runway.
when I say the cabin crew audibly gasped a sigh of relief when it came to a stop, it’s an understatement.
they were all visibly shaken, as were the passengers and the pilot.
I had no idea it wasn’t supposed to be like that, until they asked if I was ok after the bumpy landing after I thanked them for their hospitality etc during the flight.
ive clearly watched too many cartoons 🫣

Bluelightbaby · 05/01/2023 18:28

I fly every month sometimes twice a month and often have landings like that.

FettleOfKish · 05/01/2023 18:37

That's interesting @ZZTopGuitarSolo! I've been on at least 3 go-arounds in Jersey in the last few years, so perhaps the average is higher and lower at different airports.

The most pronounced of them we already had wheels on the ground for a few seconds; the others we've just got almost down and then back up again.

Fernticket · 05/01/2023 18:46

DomesticShortHair · 04/01/2023 17:34

The main issue is, after you’ve survived the hard landing, you’re then in Bristol...

🤣🤣🤣🤣

notimagain · 05/01/2023 18:48

@FettleOfKish

so perhaps the average is higher and lower at different airports.

It is, though I haven't seen the graphs/figures for a while.

Some airports are more prone because of environmental factors (wind conditions, perhaps associated with local terrain), at others it might be down to the amount of traffic and go-arounds happening because there's a chance of spacing between aircraft, either in the air or on the runway, being compromised.... plenty of other reasons are available...