To think this charity deserve prosecution for being so bloody stupid?

[Fucklechuck]

Just seen this in the news and went down a rabbit hole reading the whole story plus comments on their FB.

They took a bunch of young kids on a frozen lake (apparently without parental consent) and tried to justify it as a safety lesson despite clearly having no understanding themselves of the actual dangers. For example they're claiming the entire lake was frozen over with 2ft thick ice - no, it definitely wasn't, not in the south west of the UK, it's just not that cold in this country even in the recent cold snap. That's just impossible.

Their comments on their FB page are shockingly blasé and they've even been liking other people's comments saying that vaccines are a bigger danger to children than this was

Just can't believe anyone would be so stupid less than a week after the tragedy in Solihull and then to take to social media calling it a knee jerk overreaction to suspend their license until an investigation is complete shows a total lack of regard for the most basic H&S or risk assessment processes. I actually hope their registration to look after children is revoked by whoever has such powers!

I've just through all the comments on their Facebook page - wow! They certainly have formed a community of folk with interesting opinions. Lots of 'freeman of the land' types, along with the usual 'in my day' and 'can't do anything nowadays' plus the homeschoolers who are antivaccine and antiestablishment. Whoever is providing comments and responses from the charity is displaying woeful ignorance of not just the danger of walking on ice but also legal and safety considerations. I certainly have not gained a favourable impression of this organisation.

Mumsnet can block your IP and broadband line through methods I’m not savvy enough to know. So, no, you won’t be returning on another account babe - otherwise ever banned user would 🙄

The only way to tell how thick the ice was, would have been to chisel a hole in it and measure it. Did they do that? They should have physically checked the thickness at several points as one teacher walked out onto the ice (while wearing a floatation device) before anyone else went anywhere.

there is great advice on this link for anyone who is interested in safety around frozen lakes etc

survivalskills.guide/how-to-tell-if-ice-is-safe-to-walk-on/

This thread just shows that safe ice is a myth,at least in the UK. There's no safe ice and people are ill equipped to judge or accurately determine the thickness and safety of it. So just don't bother. There's never any need to go across a frozen lake.

As for other countries, people are strongly encouraged to use them only in areas measured by professionals and accidents still happen.

don't worry though i think they've already seen the comment i left for them on their facebook and news articles. Bad things happens to scummy people

You must be imminently due to be flattened by a bus then.

What makes you think they’re on their feet? They’d have been on their knees to keep their arms below the surface to search and keep their best balance. Good try though.

No, locals say Babbs Mill's maximum depth is 4 feet - which is confirmed by the fact that adult rescuers were wading in water that was waist deep for them.

We have established conclusively that there was not 2 feet of ice in the lake in question, and @Onnabugeisha has explained exactly how people fall under ice and get drowned when it cracks even in shallow water.

Wow. I can't imagine they were physically prepared for the circumstances of anyone falling in.

You’re right, use a VPN and incognito and you’re in. Good job, you’ve successfully achieved the ability to be a dick anonymously on the internet - it’s a rare skill, we’re all super proud of you.

Don't feed the troll. Just let MNHQ deal with them

Our pond was solid for about two weeks. Out of curiosity I took a shovel to it to see how thick it was. The answer was barely 2”.

The ice was almost certainly not as thick as they claim. The water meanwhile was at least as deep as the water that several children (some of them the same age) died in a week before.

You don’t come across as much of a “thinker” to me

Yes, walking on icy paths is dangerous (as I learned when I forgot to pack my microspikes for a hiking trip last month). You manage the risk of falling through ice by not walking on frozen lakes. This isn't Norway, it's not cold enough for long enough here.

Yes, the #smalldickenergy is alive and well on this thread tonight.

No one is saying that the ice couldn't have been two inches thick. In fact a local poster said that ice near them was five inches thick. The fact is that even five inches is barely thick enough to safely walk on.