To Think We Should Still Be Wearing Masks

[TheShellBeach]

Especially seeing the news coming out of China, and the lies they seem to be telling about the Covid situation there.

I never stopped wearing a mask when shopping anyway, even though we were told it was no longer necessary.

Yes, I know that most people have now been vaccinated.

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet so basically most children under 12 can't get the vaccine.

We should be wearing masks. It's not just covid, there's this awful flu going around. I'm heading for 4 weeks of horrendous pain, chest infection. I had to go out in public a couple of days ago and despite wearing a mask I was getting filthy looks. I don't know what would happen if I hadn't worn one, how many people would I have infected?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the vaccine only reduces symptoms and doesn't stop infection or transmission? And healthy under 12s do not get bad symptoms with Covid anyway? I can see why the government would restrict the vaccine to CEV children only. It should be going to those who need it, not to assuage anxiety. I'd rather it be sent to vulnerable in poorer countries than to a healthy toddler in a rich country like UK.

Some posters are really very blinkered. The fear campaign run by the government has a lot to answer for.

You said it was ‘impossible’ - it’s not. Children aged 5 (as long as they’re were 5 before September 2022) to 12 can get it, they just wasn’t be automatically offered it. That’s not ‘most children under 12’. There are more children aged 5-12 than there are aged 1-4

It should be going to those who need it, not to assuage anxiety. I'd rather it be sent to vulnerable in poorer countries than to a healthy toddler in a rich country like UK.

I agree and I’m surprised it’s still available to young children. I didn’t get mine vaccinated but know plenty of people who did (despite it apparently being impossible) for kids as young as 5

BTW apologies all for my appalling SPAG errors I need to start proofreading my posts before pressing submit 🙄

"2 doses are being offered to all children aged 12 to 15, and some aged 5 to 11, to give them the best protection against COVID-19.

Children who turned 5 on or after 1 September 2022 can only get a 1st and 2nd dose of a COVID-19 vaccine if they’re either:

-at high risk due to a health condition or because of a weakened immune system
-living with someone who has a weakened immune system"

This means most children between 5-11 are not eligible @LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet clearly you are not keeping up with the science on COVID. The NHS website doesn't provide the details.

Please have a read of this (a summary of recently published peer reviewed literature) in particular point 7 "COVID doesn't spare children"
jessicawildfire.substack.com/p/you-may-be-early-but-youre-not-wrong

My Son needs to lip read so no, I wont be.

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet "causes long-term damage to everyone who gets it" is an incorrect statement; this is total scaremongering.

You're posting a load of stuff as 'fact' which is shockingly ill-informed (like the thing about HIV --> AIDS link taking 20 years). Before you try to educate us all, in your kind benevolence, maybe take a bit of time to get facts straight yourself.

Ha. An article by 'OK Doomer', what a reputable source! Stop posting this stuff as fact, you're only making yourself look ridiculous.

You conveniently missed out this bit:

All children aged 5 (on or before 31 August 2022) and over can get a 1st and 2nd dose of the coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine.

Tell me on what world that means ‘most children aged 5-11 are not eligible’?

Unless there were more children born between 1st September 2017 and 2nd January 2018 than there are all 5-11 year olds put together, you are literally completely wrong

No it doesn’t. You’ve selectively picked out information relating to children who have just turned 5.

It quite clearly says that children aged 5 or over on 31st August 2022 can get the vaccine.

Why is this thread even still going?
As the sane amongst us all know......Masks. Do. NOT. Work.

We are trying to avoid catching a virus that causes known long term impacts in EVERYONE who catches it

I’m sorry but this definitely smacks of health anxiety. Myself, DH and DS all had Covid. After the first couple of days we each felt fine (a little under the weather), none of us has any ongoing issues due to covid (DS & I both have long term conditions which meant we were both vaccinated earlier than the general populace). A colleague of mine has now had Covid four times (confirmed through testing), she also has no long term side effects of this illness. She, like me, works in school although she is in a more “child facing” position hence more exposure.

Even my hospital consultant confirmed to me that VERY FEW people have any long term side effects and that other more “everyday” type illnesses actually have MORE long term side effects than Covid 19.

From what I’ve seen, medical anxiety is one of the worst side effects of Covid and I have a condition that makes me more vulnerable!

If people want to wear a mask then they can (unless, like mine, their workplace doesn’t allow them to be worn) BUT not giving a young child the same opportunities and experience as their peers is, in my opinion, wrong.

You think that a website called “OK Doomer” provides more current scientific and factual data than the actual NHS? I actually can’t read most of that as you have to sign up and I don’t sign up to quack websites.

Im sorry if this sounds rude but given you got it so wrong about AIDS, about vaccines for children and about thinking this link is scientific fact, I can only reduce you have extremely poor analytic skills that are fuelling your already irrational fears. You think the government are using children to test herd immunity and have mistakenly backed this up with “and they aren’t vaccinating children!!!” When they are

I don’t think you meant to tag me @Jourdain11 (it’s ok just send me a Ferrero Rocher and all will be forgiven, I’ve just run out of my Christmas supply )

Ok so I misunderstood the rule change on vaccination, my bad. But this means every child age 5 is not eligible for the vaccine for another 7 years. Why not? It's not even a choice.

@Jourdain11 ignore the website name and read the content, it's all peer reviewed literature from reputable journals, this is a summary recommended by doctors and immunologists

Perhaps you'd prefer a summary from a UK doctor: twitter.com/drclairetaylor/status/1609067523609137153?t=-8RFe8IaL6PQm98YSFuCvg&s=19

Immune damage twitter.com/jeffgilchrist/status/1605958004163084292?t=RNQUGtqw1x1r4eKhi2T88g&s=19

Damage in lungs of children even with mild cases twitter.com/greg_travis/status/1604505587081175042?t=CP0hTE2LASlvSaJRgl7sPA&s=19

"It spikes your risk of diabetes, heart attack, stroke, and blood clots. It can damage your organs, your lungs, your kidneys, your liver, and your brain.” thegauntlet.substack.com/p/with-immunity-debt-democrats-are?sd=pf

I’d actually love to know where you got your information about AIDS. There’s a reason I ask. I lost a gay family friend in the 90’s to complications from AIDS and ever since I have been campaigning for research, awareness and education around the disease. After we lost him I realised just how the lack of research and care was driven by homophobia and the reluctance of the Thatcher government to prioritise gay men in healthcare. We have come so far since to the point of the HIV virus being manageable for life with drugs if caught early enough. However there are sadly small sections and corners of the internet working as if we are still in the 80’s and 90’s who tout conspiracies about HIV and AIDS and these people are actually damaging to the HIV/AIDS community. I wonder if you’re sources are from something like this? Or did you just misremember?

Tweets and a poor Wordpress website are not reputable sources.

Still waiting for this 2022 deaths claim.

The way that vaccination programmes work for the NHS is that those most in need are prioritised, because the NHS does not have an endless pot of money. The most at-risk groups get the vaccine. Same with things like smear tests - IIRC women 25+ are eligible. Doesn’t mean the NHS thinks women under 25 cannot get cervical cancer. It means from a medical POV that group is less likely so resources are poured into the high risk groups

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet I can't find my post about it but what I meant was it can take 20 years for HIV to become AIDs (though
Google says 8-10 years so I was off by a decade). So my point is if it takes that long for the original infection
to manifest as AIDS who knows what we'll discover about COVID 10-20 years along the line? We already are discovering plenty of unpleasant news 3 years down the line.

My sources are all reputable immunologists and doctors on Twitter, not just in the UK but around the world. They point out the latest science on COVID and link to peer reviewed papers. I use twitter because it's great for science communication.

Ahh, I'm sorry, my fingers hit the wrong u/n after I put in the tag! I'll have to wrestle the Ferrero Rocher box away from my 9 year old - who, incidentally, has been sick the whole holiday with labyrinthitis following a cold (not Covid). Unfortunately, complications can occur after any illness. Would I have preferred her not to be unwell? Of course! But, given that I had to practically drag her home protesting after she'd vomited everywhere at school, I don't think she'd take kindly to me isolating her every time she got a sniffle. (Apparently I was ruining her future career, as she was missing both a science experiment and a play rehearsal - God knows what she will be like as a teenager.)

Oh come off it. You said

It took 20 years to link HIV and AIDS

Don’t lie and say you thought that meant it took 20 years to manifest. When research started and treatment was not available, the gap was smaller BTW. But that’s not what you meant at all. It’s actually really offensive that you’ve not only drawn a ridiculous comparison but you’ve got this so wrong and have tried to backtrack with BS.

What ‘unpleasant news’ are we discovering about COVID??? And where is your tweet source that states more people have died in 2022 and more children died in 2022 than 2020-2021 combined?

My tip: get off Twitter. Anyone can literally post anything. Read reputable sources instead.

And actually @ThaiDye AIDS was discovered first with HIV 3 years on being discovered as the cause. AIDS is the more ‘extreme’ of the 2. You’re implying “they found this supposedly mild infection first and it turns out years later you would definitely die if not treated”. Not the case at all.