Page 21 | To Think We Should Still Be Wearing Masks

TheShellBeach · 2022-12-28T23:28:58+00:00

Especially seeing the news coming out of China, and the lies they seem to be telling about the Covid situation there. I never stopped wearing a mask when shopping anyway, even though we were told it was no longer necessary. Yes, I know that most people have now been vaccinated.

anu22 · 02/01/2023 07:56

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 07:48

@anu22 COVID is not like the flu. Sadly we've been badly let down by the media that's failed to report that COVID killed more people in 2022 than in previous years, and in England killed more children than in 20/21 combined. It kills more than flu. And for those who had "mild" disease it still raises risk of stroke, heart attack, diabetes, long COVID, causes brain damage, vascular damage, the list goes on. The NHS is on its knees. "Living with COVID" is a load of bollocks.

And the government has actively pushed a mass infection strategy, through CHILDREN, to generate "herd immunity " except that has been a huge failure, hasn't it? Would you accept a similar mass infection strategy for smallpox, polio, rabies, the plague? No, so why do we accept it for COVID. Most children who get polio only have mild cold/fever yet we didn't try to eradicate it by infecting all children. The government has completely f*cked up it's public health. I hope they are all brought to justice soon.

If any of what you're spouting is true then your solution is what ? Masks aren't going to help

anu22 · 02/01/2023 07:59

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 07:48

@anu22 COVID is not like the flu. Sadly we've been badly let down by the media that's failed to report that COVID killed more people in 2022 than in previous years, and in England killed more children than in 20/21 combined. It kills more than flu. And for those who had "mild" disease it still raises risk of stroke, heart attack, diabetes, long COVID, causes brain damage, vascular damage, the list goes on. The NHS is on its knees. "Living with COVID" is a load of bollocks.

And the government has actively pushed a mass infection strategy, through CHILDREN, to generate "herd immunity " except that has been a huge failure, hasn't it? Would you accept a similar mass infection strategy for smallpox, polio, rabies, the plague? No, so why do we accept it for COVID. Most children who get polio only have mild cold/fever yet we didn't try to eradicate it by infecting all children. The government has completely f*cked up it's public health. I hope they are all brought to justice soon.

Are you seriously saying that the government is covering up children dropping dead from covid on a mass scale ?
And re polio no we didn't go with mass infections we went with vaccinations you absolute loon.

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 08:02

@anu22 masks are part of a multi layered approach. Step 1 is to avoid infecting each other. Wear masks, avoid crowds, ventilate and use air purifiers. Hospitals and schools should be safe spaces not hotbeds of infection. Stay home if sick until testing negative. Gov should reinstate paid sick leave for COVID.

Step 2 is vaccines which prevent the worst outcomes but don't prevent infections.

Of course all I said is true, there's plenty of scientific evidence to back it up. Please read this concise summary of the peer reviewed evidence and then come back and tell me you still think COVID is like flu:
jessicawildfire.substack.com/p/you-may-be-early-but-youre-not-wrong

This should be all over the news! Instead it's politically expedient to downplay COVID. But you can bet your bottom dollar that insurers and actuaries are keeping a very close eye on the excess mortality data because for them it affects their profit line. And that is why financial newspapers.like the FT and Fortune are doing a better job at reporting on the effects of COVID, because it affects the bottom line.

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 08:05

I'm not saying government is covering up deaths. I'm saying it decided that "herd immunity" via infecting children was the way out of the pandemic, before knowing the long term harms of COVID. That's just irresponsible! It took 20 years to link HIV and AIDS. There is so much we don't know about COVID still.

And the government is not vaccinating children against COVID is it? Because it's chosen a MASS INFECTION strategy instead. Why did it not go the vaccine route like with polio/smallpox etc?

We have been badly misled by the government I'm afraid. Protect yourself and your child from infection as much as possible.

anu22 · 02/01/2023 08:08

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 08:05

I'm not saying government is covering up deaths. I'm saying it decided that "herd immunity" via infecting children was the way out of the pandemic, before knowing the long term harms of COVID. That's just irresponsible! It took 20 years to link HIV and AIDS. There is so much we don't know about COVID still.

And the government is not vaccinating children against COVID is it? Because it's chosen a MASS INFECTION strategy instead. Why did it not go the vaccine route like with polio/smallpox etc?

We have been badly misled by the government I'm afraid. Protect yourself and your child from infection as much as possible.

You know that herd immunity has fuck all to do with the government deliberately infecting children with diseases right ?

MarshaBradyo · 02/01/2023 08:09

BiasedBinding · 02/01/2023 07:55

What will you do if the government hasn’t “sorted itself out”?

I’m wondering too. Would the dc be in a mask at school from a young age

Also unless the family is isolating it’s likely they’ve been exposed and taken it home and dc have had it anyway

BiasedBinding · 02/01/2023 08:10

MarshaBradyo · 02/01/2023 08:09

I’m wondering too. Would the dc be in a mask at school from a young age

Also unless the family is isolating it’s likely they’ve been exposed and taken it home and dc have had it anyway

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I completely understand people making different decisions at different ages/circumstances for their children, but I do object to the idea that the rest of us are cavalier with our children’s health because we have weighed up their needs and come to different conclusions.

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 08:16

@anu22 ok so what is herd immunity with regard to COVID? Please enlighten me.

The government strategy was explicitly to keep schools open. Shamed Ladhani, a pediatrician who advises UKHSA just published a paper showing 97.2% of UK kids age 1-17 had covid antibodies, mainly from infection since vaccine was so limited. How is this not a mass infection strategy? The aim was to achieve herd immunity. Except it failed because there are so many variants (more than 600 sub-variants from omicron alone) that infection doesn't mean you won't get covid again. We know from this website that many have had it 3+ times in 2022 alone! So where's the herd immunity?

We were fobbed off with lies by the government, firstly that children don't catch COVID, then that they don't spread it, and then that it's only mild in children.

Aishah231 · 02/01/2023 08:33

I'm much more worried about vaccine side effects and excess death rates than I am about COVID. We never have and never will know the true damage (or lack of) caused by COVID as the authorities only ever felt it necessary to gather death with (not from) COVID data. I won't be wearing a mask again as they didn't help in any way last time.

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 08:59

Excess deaths are from COVID. Just look at this analysis from Singapore. Every single excess death was linked to covid in the previous 90 days (not vaccine).

"In other words, COVID-19 aggravated existing illnesses, resulting in further mortalities.

‘In a secondary analysis of persons without recent infection, no additional excess deaths were found.’

So data on death with COVID is important, because COVID is not just the initial cold/fever/cough but has long term consequences on your health.

www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/all-excess-deaths-in-singapore-linked-to-recent-co

MajorCarolDanvers · 02/01/2023 09:14

This thread 😂😂😂

Teateaandmoretea · 02/01/2023 10:54

@MajorCarolDanvers totally agree. Some totally batshit posters.

PlusLaMeme · 02/01/2023 10:58

Some people have health anxiety so severe that they're not coming back from the edge.

SirMingeALot · 02/01/2023 11:02

Which is understandable, given how they were thrown under the bus by the deliberate government policy decision to frighten the population into observing restrictions. The long term mental health impact of that tactic was evidently ignored.

Thismonkeysgonetodevon · 02/01/2023 11:04

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 07:53

I hope that by the time he goes to school the government would have sorted itself out and realized that public health means protecting us from infection, not reneging all responsibilities. This means mandating clean indoor air in all locations where smoking is forbidden: schools, hospital, public transport etc. HEPA filtration, ventilation, and Far-UVC is looking hopeful. This will help to greatly reduce viral load and therefore risk of disease.

In the meantime if you have children in school please look up Corsi Rosenthal boxes and make sure to get one in your childrens classrooms. Can get DIY for 80 quid and will protect against airborne infections. These are more effective and cheaper than the ones recommended by the Dept of Education www.airbon.co.uk/post/diy-air-purifiers

They are even arguing against clean air in schools on this thread. You couldn’t make it up 🤦‍♀️

Jourdain11 · 02/01/2023 11:05

If people do really feel so afraid about Covid and lack of restrictions, I'm very sorry for them. However, I'm not convinced that they're not just wind-up merchants or the type that could pick a fight in an empty room.

Thismonkeysgonetodevon · 02/01/2023 11:06

@ThaiDye And I just want to say thank you (from a parent with a young child now housebound with long covid) for continuing in a calm and measured way to try to educate people on this thread. Sadly, I think you are wasting your time.

Jourdain11 · 02/01/2023 11:09

Thismonkeysgonetodevon · 02/01/2023 11:04

They are even arguing against clean air in schools on this thread. You couldn’t make it up 🤦‍♀️

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Nobody is arguing against clean air! If you want to argue, contest what's actually being said, not what you've decided has been said.

Thismonkeysgonetodevon · 02/01/2023 11:23

Jourdain11 · 02/01/2023 11:09

Nobody is arguing against clean air! If you want to argue, contest what's actually being said, not what you've decided has been said.

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Well at least two people have:

IDontCareMatthew · Yesterday 13:00
@Thismonkeysgonetodevon
A high proportion of British schools are crumbling away so fittting expensive 'air filtering' machinery is ridiculous. Can school budgets even afford that??

Fifi00 · Yesterday 13:05
@Thismonkeysgonetodevon
I'm sorry about your child but we cannot afford it unless taxes go up 50 percent .We are poor we have spent billions and billions on COVID it's still here….

Jourdain11 · 02/01/2023 11:34

That's not arguing against fresh air. It's pointing out that school budgets have been frozen and that some of the Victorian buildings are ill-equipped for the installation of air filtering technology.

BiasedBinding · 02/01/2023 11:53

No one is arguing against clean air in schools. That kind of hyperbole helps no one.

when people say that they have weighed up the realistic options for their own children and decided something different to you, they aren’t necessarily minimising the effects of covid or whatever you want to accuse them of

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 02/01/2023 12:03

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 06:15

@PlusLaMeme so you'd rather your child get sick than wear a mask? You need to reassess your priorities.

Putting children in masks saves them from infection, in schools, and by extension the same would apply in healthcare settings. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/11/10/school-mask-mandate-covid-study/

Controversial opinion: nothing wrong at all with kids having mild illnesses. In fact it’s good for them. This total fear and anxiety our kids may get a sniffle is so unhealthy and is being passed down to the next generation.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 02/01/2023 12:05

ThaiDye · 02/01/2023 07:13

18 months old so too young for mask. For this reason I don't take him to any indoor public locations as the risk of catching COVID is too high. He gets plenty of outdoor play instead.

i just think that’s really sad for your son that he’s missing out on socialising because of your irrational fear

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 02/01/2023 12:12

@ThaiDye weres your source please for the claim that more people died of COVID in 2022 than 2020? I have googled but cannot find anything anywhere that confirms this.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 02/01/2023 12:17

It took 20 years to link HIV and AIDS

Actually it took 3 years.

And HIV/AIDS is not comparable - homophobia drive the reasoning behind lack of research because AIDS was considered a ‘gay disease’. In the 80’s it hadn’t been that long since homosexuality was legalised. That’s not the case at all with COVID.