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I don't like Welsh people

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snowstone · 27/12/2022 14:40

Said to me, a Welsh person born in Wales, married to a Welsh man, with two welsh children.

By my own father?!

He and my mum are looking at moving houses, I was asking about where and he mentioned they were a looking more at a specific county further away from me. I asked if they'd consider my county as we see them quite a bit. My dad said that my county is too Welsh, and the main draw of the other county is that it's much more English and he fits in better with English people, Welsh people are a bit odd and he doesn't like them and wants to be surrounded by English people.

Told him to move to fucking England then! My mum said I overreacted but it was just quite a grim thing to say to be honest, made me look at him a bit different. They were visiting for Christmas Day and the whole atmosphere turned a bit after that and they left earlier than planned. AIBU to be pissed off?!

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hiraethheart · 27/12/2022 22:10

KimberleyClark · 27/12/2022 22:09

Pembrokeshire is known as “Little England beyond Wales”. Not just Little England.

It is most commonly shortened to just little England, atleast ime.

KimberleyClark · 27/12/2022 22:13

BTW Carmarthenshire used to be a heartland of the Welsh language. It’s sad that it no longer is.m

RandomPerson42 · 27/12/2022 22:16

Sometimes people just don’t like the people that they grew up around - I know I don’t - I would never in a million years move back to the town I grew up in for example. I think I get on better with europeans or even some africans I’ve met than the English of which I am one.

Your dad sounds to simply have found he gets on more, or has more in common with, or likes, a different type of people. Nothing wrong with that.

Alittlelost0 · 27/12/2022 22:27

Is he actually Welsh himself?
My dad is English but absolutely hates England and English people and will claim all his ancestry is from somewhere else, avoids other brits on holidays and is very scathing about them, boos them in the world Cup etc... so maybe it's something similar? It's stupid if it is and it annoys me more each time he does it because he's as English as they come.. why can't he be proud of that?!
If your dad is not Welsh then he is extremely rude and hopefully he knows now after your reaction.

VerinMathwin · 27/12/2022 22:42

bloodyplanes · 27/12/2022 16:19

He is entitled to think what he wants and live where he wants but to say that to you was thoughtless and hurtful. To be honest i have only ever heard the nastiness the other way round, vile remarks about the English from welsh people. Ive never heard an English person slag off wales and the welsh ( not saying it doesn't happen btw just that ive never heard it)

Born in Wales of Welsh parents. Moved to England when I was at primary school. Went to university in England, worked in England, back in Wales for the last ten years. I had thirty years of anti Welsh comments that would not have been tolerated if they had been towards any other nationality. There is a massive undercurrent of hostility / superiority complex from the English towards the Welsh.

I think it's because even after 1500 years you're still defensive about having stolen Lloegr (the lost lands) from the Welsh...

20RegalPlease · 27/12/2022 23:12

caggie3 · 27/12/2022 22:00

"The Welsh, oppressed? Gimme a break. Unless they find all the English tax money sent to their region oppressive, in which case we’ll gladly stop lol."

Maybe we should start taxing the English for all of the resources they take from Wales then?

What resources does England take from Wales?

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:14

20RegalPlease · 27/12/2022 23:12

What resources does England take from Wales?

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Look up where in England is reliant on Welsh reservoirs for water.

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:15

20RegalPlease · 27/12/2022 23:12

What resources does England take from Wales?

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Organs.

Wales has an ‘opt out’ policy as opposed to England’s ‘opt in’ but English people are able to benefit from that.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/12/2022 23:16

Oh a commonly used turn of phrase, absolutely no negative connotations at all? Riiiight.

A phrase first used in print by an Englishman ( see below)

Here you go, learn something, first paragraph tells you the history of the area.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_England_beyond_Wales

I don't like Welsh people
CoffeeBoy · 27/12/2022 23:17

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:14

Look up where in England is reliant on Welsh reservoirs for water.

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Who funded the building of them and the pipe network? Genuine question.

20RegalPlease · 27/12/2022 23:17

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 22:00

If Yes Cymru have their way, that will be the case.

So the Welsh will keep their tax money and more importantly, their reservoirs that supply regions of England with water.

Lol.

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Wales needs England more than the other way round.

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:19

CoffeeBoy · 27/12/2022 23:17

Who funded the building of them and the pipe network? Genuine question.

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The same people who drowned a village and destroyed a community. The English.

We’re talking about resources taken, colonial style, not resources offered.

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:20

20RegalPlease · 27/12/2022 23:17

Wales needs England more than the other way round.

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We’ll see. Hopefully sooner rather than later. The unequal union has never been more unstable than now.

20RegalPlease · 27/12/2022 23:26

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:20

We’ll see. Hopefully sooner rather than later. The unequal union has never been more unstable than now.

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Meanwhile, in the real world..

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:28

20RegalPlease · 27/12/2022 23:26

Meanwhile, in the real world..

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If you have no awareness of the growing desire for a break from England, in Wales, then that is embarrassing for you but not at all surprising based on your contributions to this thread.

FlounderingFruitcake · 27/12/2022 23:29

My family on my dad’s side is from Pembrokeshire and they wouldn’t be offended by ‘little England’ and I’ve heard them use it themselves as an explanation of why they don’t have Welsh accents or speak any Welsh, which is not uncommon at all amongst the locals. And yes they are locals- my grandparents moved there as newlyweds in the 1950s, my dad and siblings were all born there! Second homes are unfortunately a problem anywhere touristy and the English speaking residents of Pembrokeshire aren’t necessarily anything to do with that.

20RegalPlease · 27/12/2022 23:32

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justasking111 · 27/12/2022 23:33

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:28

If you have no awareness of the growing desire for a break from England, in Wales, then that is embarrassing for you but not at all surprising based on your contributions to this thread.

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The Welsh government have made it clear they're not interested in going independent. With the economic uncertainty I can understand this.

Labraradabrador · 27/12/2022 23:44

It wasn’t elegantly articulated, but I think I understand what he is saying. It is difficult living somewhere that you know will never feel like home. I am American, have lived in the UK for 10+ years and have a DH and DC that are English. I have accepted that I will probably live in the UK for the rest of my life, but it is sad to think that I will never fully fit in to the village we live in, and will always be slightly outside the shared experience. I have lived in several countries, so no stranger to cultural adaptation, but found it hardest in the England where the shared language and cultural foundation make you feel like you are functioning fine and then some small difference sneaks up on you and reminds you of your outsider status.

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:51

justasking111 · 27/12/2022 23:33

The Welsh government have made it clear they're not interested in going independent. With the economic uncertainty I can understand this.

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Yes. But the desire for it, is very much present. Which was the point I was making.

It won’t happen next year, but it most likely will do in our lifetime.

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:53

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But what if we don’t?

Where will England be exactly, with its lack of industry to generate money for its own economy.

Won’t be in a good way at all, will it.

justasking111 · 27/12/2022 23:56

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:51

Yes. But the desire for it, is very much present. Which was the point I was making.

It won’t happen next year, but it most likely will do in our lifetime.

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It's still under 20% possibly because of the economic uncertainty. The Welsh government certainly aren't taxing themselves on the issue. Quite rightly so

Becute · 27/12/2022 23:57

Well if he wants to move to Pembrokeshire and not be around "Welsh" I would say it's not a great place to live! I live here and there is loads of Welsh! I speak fluently and so do all my family and my children. Actually I would say there is more Welsh here now

20RegalPlease · 27/12/2022 23:58

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:53

But what if we don’t?

Where will England be exactly, with its lack of industry to generate money for its own economy.

Won’t be in a good way at all, will it.

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What money is Wales generating for its own economy? Why is it still being subsidised by England?

justasking111 · 27/12/2022 23:59

SemperIdem · 27/12/2022 23:53

But what if we don’t?

Where will England be exactly, with its lack of industry to generate money for its own economy.

Won’t be in a good way at all, will it.

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Ummmm what industry do we have in Wales. We're working hard on wind farms, solar power. We're growing trees, but are sorely run down otherwise