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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To find Matilda hard to watch?

246 replies

susiesuelou · 27/12/2022 09:59

I know it's just a work of fiction for kids and that it all comes good in the end for Matilda, but I've been watching it this morning whilst toddler DD naps and it's struck me just how horrible it is (the start especially). Particularly the part where she begs to be allowed books to read and the Dad holds her head and forces her to watch TV instead. Not being acknowledged by her mum when she comes in from school and wants to tell her about her day. 🥹

And don't get me started on the abusive practices of Miss Trunchbull! Particularly force feeding chocolate cake to that boy! I actually skipped through that part.

I've watched it before but never really watched it, if that makes sense. And it's just left an uncomfortable feeling.

AIBU? Am I too sensitive? I know the answer is probably yes, as it's just a film after all. But has anyone else had similar discomfort watching it?

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Cuppasoupmonster · 27/12/2022 12:08

SingedToast · 27/12/2022 12:03

Grimes’ fairy tales were not children’s stories, though.

I don’t disagree with Roald Dahl’s children’s books being deeply pleasant in many ways, though — it’s the misogyny that strikes me most.

Misogyny? Despite the primary theme being wronged children? Of course it is 🙄 ffs

Novum · 27/12/2022 12:09

We used to find Miss Trunchbull hilarious as kids. I remember a teacher who used to joke about how much she admired her discipline methods, no-one was remotely worried that she would use them.

SnowlayRoundabout · 27/12/2022 12:12

SingedToast · 27/12/2022 12:03

Grimes’ fairy tales were not children’s stories, though.

I don’t disagree with Roald Dahl’s children’s books being deeply pleasant in many ways, though — it’s the misogyny that strikes me most.

Because the men in Matilda come out so much better than the women, don't they.

WashAsDelicates · 27/12/2022 12:13

AGoodDayForSomebodyElseToDie · 27/12/2022 11:35

There would be a lot of very boring books out there if we redacted all the uncomfortable elements. The uncomfortable element is integral to the release and happiness of the ending, in most children's fiction.

You need to allow children to think the unthinkable. There is so much emphasis on always being Nice, and Kind, but our thoughts often include anger and vengeance. You have to allow these thoughts, you have to understand them and accept that they are there. It is completely different from acting them out. "How could you even think such a thing?!" Well, we do. Suppressing the thought does not help the child's emotional well-being.

SarahAndQuack · 27/12/2022 12:16

BeautifulWar · 27/12/2022 10:58

However I'm SO SICK of the middle aged woman who doesn't fit in with the just beautiful enough angel role being portrayed as a hideous bully like Miss Trunchbull.

This is a problem with film vs the book though. Miss Honey is no 'beautiful angel' in terms of looks, she is plain and sneered at by Mrs Wormwood for being plain and prioritising her mind over her looks.

Are you saying she's portrayed as plain in the film? She certainly isn't in the book.

ApiratesaysYarrr · 27/12/2022 12:20

Jifmicroliquid · 27/12/2022 10:10

I always get the impression that RD hated children!

Matilda is a great film, but I do agree the start is actually quite hard to watch, as an adult. Kids won’t get too upset about it though.

If you had read his piece on the death of his young daughter from measles, you would see that he deeply loved at least his own child.

alwaysinwellies · 27/12/2022 12:22

bellac11 · 27/12/2022 10:51

The children in Charles Dickens stories were also abused and neglected.

Apparently CD was a horrible man too

Cuppasoupmonster · 27/12/2022 12:23

alwaysinwellies · 27/12/2022 12:22

Apparently CD was a horrible man too

By 2022 standards probably. They all would’ve been.

Shuttlesandspinners · 27/12/2022 12:23

@Rowthe it doesn’t necessarily go over children’s heads. They put Matilda on at school when my son was year 1 or 2, he hadn’t seen it before and it upset him. He came home and said they had made him watch child abuse at school.

bellac11 · 27/12/2022 12:24

alwaysinwellies · 27/12/2022 12:22

Apparently CD was a horrible man too

Oh god, well thats that then

Burn all the books!!!

susiesuelou · 27/12/2022 12:39

Sceptre86 · 27/12/2022 11:50

The original film I didn't find too bad. They were disinterested and neglectful but not physically abusive. I took dd1 and ds to watch the musical in cinema and the dad hurls Matilda onto the floor and the mum is deliberately cruel and goading. I found that a very hard watch.

In the film with Danny DeVito as the Dad, he physically holds Matilda's head still to force her to stay still and watch the TV when she doesn't want to. That was the only part I picked up on that was physical. The rest was the emotional abuse and the neglect that I found hard to watch.

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beastlyslumber · 27/12/2022 12:40

It makes me so sad that even adults these days don't have the emotional resilience to read or view fiction. And that instead of recognising their lack of resilience or empathy, they accuse the creators of fiction of abuse. But worst of all is when they try to take the joy of reading away from children, because adults themselves haven't got the imagination or resilience to handle the stories.

I'm sure Roald Dahl would have had something to say about that.

WashAsDelicates · 27/12/2022 12:40

Charles Dickens wrote David Copperfield from his own childhood experience, and Oliver Twist from a knowledge of the realities of life for children in the workhouse and on the streets. He was very active in children's welfare and in improving working people's education and prospects. By the standards of Victorian Britain he was phenomenally progressive and liberal.

After Oliver Twist was published, he listened to the objections from Jews and edited the text for future editions to reduce the anti-semitism and objectification of Fagin. Yes, by today's standards Fagin's presentation is still anti-Semitic, but my point is that Dickens both reflected society at that time, and considered the harm he might cause by doing so.

Whether he was a nice person, I cannot know. But just because he wrote about nasty things it does not mean he had a nasty mind.

alwaysinwellies · 27/12/2022 12:41

bellac11 · 27/12/2022 12:24

Oh god, well thats that then

Burn all the books!!!

I think cancel culture can take things too far - it is possible to read the books, accept that they are “of their time” and that the person (like Dickens) writing the book is flawed.

I think the best takeaway from Matilda is one of the emotional resilience of kids - much like Jacqueline Wilson’s books - though I think JW approaches the issues more sensitively

susiesuelou · 27/12/2022 12:41

beastlyslumber · 27/12/2022 12:40

It makes me so sad that even adults these days don't have the emotional resilience to read or view fiction. And that instead of recognising their lack of resilience or empathy, they accuse the creators of fiction of abuse. But worst of all is when they try to take the joy of reading away from children, because adults themselves haven't got the imagination or resilience to handle the stories.

I'm sure Roald Dahl would have had something to say about that.

There's a difference between "not having the resilience" to view something, and viewing something anyway but being left with a feeling of discomfort because it portrays neglect and abuse. Which is what I'm referring to.

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Coffeepot72 · 27/12/2022 12:42

I found it hard to watch and had to remind myself that Roald Dahl is not Walt Disney!

beastlyslumber · 27/12/2022 12:43

Okay. Not having the resilience to deal with feeling a bit uncomfortable then.

clearlyclelia · 27/12/2022 12:46

MajorCarolDanvers · 27/12/2022 10:03

I don't enjoy anything by Ronald Dahl for this reason.

Same

bellac11 · 27/12/2022 12:47

susiesuelou · 27/12/2022 12:41

There's a difference between "not having the resilience" to view something, and viewing something anyway but being left with a feeling of discomfort because it portrays neglect and abuse. Which is what I'm referring to.

Humans should feel discomfort/upset at abuse and neglect surely?

Pascor · 27/12/2022 12:47

WTF are your children reading and watching then? I mean, ffs, could you play into the millennial snowflake characature a little more?

SarahAndQuack · 27/12/2022 12:51

beastlyslumber · 27/12/2022 12:40

It makes me so sad that even adults these days don't have the emotional resilience to read or view fiction. And that instead of recognising their lack of resilience or empathy, they accuse the creators of fiction of abuse. But worst of all is when they try to take the joy of reading away from children, because adults themselves haven't got the imagination or resilience to handle the stories.

I'm sure Roald Dahl would have had something to say about that.

This is such a weird take, though.

Clearly, the OP has read and viewed fiction. She just doesn't like it and is discussing that.

What I am seeing is a thread full of snowflakes who can't cope with a dissenting opinion. Some on here seem to think that disliking Dahl's books is tantamount to 'cancelling' or banning them! I mean ... have you seen his sales?!

Chuckle94 · 27/12/2022 12:52

I was watching Matilda yesterday as it was on TV, when I was flicking through the channels I couldn’t find it again.
But i do think you must be at least a little bit sensitive to find the film a hard watch. It’s a film for kids and yes Matilda’a parents neglect her and Miss Trunchbull is a bully but that’s the whole point and it’s done in a humorous way.
Matilda gets her dream life in the end so she wins.

HotChoxs · 27/12/2022 12:54

Harry potter took more flack than Maltida as a kid.

BellePeppa · 27/12/2022 12:58

I’ve always found Oliver Twist hard to watch for similar reasons.

gingercat02 · 27/12/2022 12:59

Fairly standard Roald Dahl (and David Walliams) story. Shit childhood gets rescued or idealic childhood goes to shit