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Another week of this?

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Miserableoldcowww · 23/12/2022 17:38

DM has come to visit for Christmas and we're 2 days into a 10-day visit.

She's quite high maintenance and always has been. She talks about herself non stop and we need to be suitably interested/impressed with her story (that we've heard 100 times before). I'm not allowed to talk about anything that doesn't fit with her image of me as the perfect daughter. She needs constant praise and recognition of how great she is. She is often unaware of how others might perceive what she is saying - so talking today over lunch about how my father didn't want to have custody of me after they divorced, and I was lucky she didn't get me adopted. She didn't seem to recognise that this might upset me. Thankfully we've had this conversation many times before, and I know the only way to react is to praise her selflessness.

More worryingly than all that, my DD7 is quite uncomfortable around her. Grandma often says quite critical things to DD7 and I do call her out on it when it happens, but DD asked me today when grandma was leaving.

What the bloody hell am I supposed to do for the next week? I didn't mind so much when DD was too young to understand, but now DM's behaviour is taking its toll on the whole family. And just to complicate matters, now I'm of the age where DPs are often in ill health or dying, I feel so incredibly guilty about feeling negative and not cherishing every precious moment.

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Montague22 · 24/12/2022 08:57

I said early on but honestly start listening to the In Sight podcast. I think you’ll find it helpful.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 24/12/2022 09:08

More worryingly than all that, my DD7 is quite uncomfortable around her. Grandma often says quite critical things to DD7 and I do call her out on it when it happens, but DD asked me today when grandma was leaving

OP, I was eight when it became very obvious that my maternal grandmother didn't like me. In fact, years later I heard my mother accusing her of never having liked me - I have no idea why, but probably because I'm not male. Your daughter is going to remember this and wonder why you didn't defend her better than just calling her out on it.

Faveusernamewastaken · 24/12/2022 09:26

OP I really feel for you. Your mother sounds very much like mine and I would urge you to look up info about mothers with Borderline Personality Disorder.

It’s very easy for people with ‘normal’ mothers to tell you to just turf her out - while they’re right, of course, having a push-me-pull-you mother like this is incredibly complex. And the guilt you feel, however misplaced, is real.

As the child of a mother like this you have to be ready for affection while at the same time being prepared for attack, and you never quite know at any given moment which one you’re going to get. It’s exhausting. It would be so much easier if they were all one thing or all the other, but when you have a mother like this you feel guilty for not liking the ‘bad’ mother when the ‘good’ mother is there, and feel guilty about the ‘good’ mother when you don’t like the ‘bad’ mother when she’s there. It’s so hard and my heart goes out to you.

A big turning point for me was the way she treated my children. It’s insidious, for years they were exposed to a bit of her behaviour here, a bit of her behaviour there, and I handled it as best I could, like you are. But there was a big turning point on a holiday with her a few years ago when she behaved so badly towards me in front of them ALL the time, and consequently they were exposed to this toxicity in such a dose, that something snapped. My children and their feelings and their mental health had to come way before hers. Obvious to anyone with a ‘normal’ mother, but when you’ve been forced to be co-dependent with this kind of mother your whole life sometimes it takes something more drastic to make you see how abnormal this relationship is and how much you need to protect your children from it.

Now our boundaries are very clearly laid down to her. She still doesn’t usually ‘get it’, I’ve made peace with the fact she never will, she’s hard-wired and it’s not going to change even with any amount of therapy at her stage of life. But it works better for us. If she criticises something - which is a lot of the time! - we calmly and firmly explain that this is how we do things in this house. If she continues we tell her we’re not going to engage with this and ignore it. If she kicks off we remove ourselves and the children by either asking her firmly to leave or by taking them out or away from the situation. If she plays the hard done by sympathy card we ignore it.

Cutting her off is not an option. She’s my mother, it’s too hard. And elderly, with all the guilt that brings and also, like you, all the fast-forwarding to more guilt when she dies. The guilt is ingrained from years of this behaviour, try not to let it beat yourself up too much. Finding a way to have a relationship with her where at least you and your family can stay healthy, even if she can’t, is the way forward that’s worked for us.

We’ve had a chat with our children about her and have done since that turning point a few years ago. They were five and seven then and we did it in an age appropriate way: ‘you know how on CBeebies/CBBC they talk about looking after your mental health? Well Granny doesn’t look after hers and that’s why she behaves like she does. We feel sorry for Granny that she doesn’t look after her mental health but her behaviour isn’t acceptable and we don’t have to put up with it.’ Maybe a similar chat could help? We reiterate it with them regularly so it’s all out in the open with them and they have a better and more healthy understanding of what’s going on.

If your husband can join the calling out that helps too. A united front helps to deal with her and also sets your children a good example. And therapy has helped me a huge amount, helped me understand the dynamics and put in healthier ones.

I wish you a lot of love and strength over the next few days and going forward xxx

unclebuck · 24/12/2022 09:46

You need to take her to one side and tell her straight: shape up or ship out

Robin233 · 24/12/2022 10:00

Oh op how difficult
I love my kids so much and now one or 2 grandchildren have arrived.
I think they'll all amazing - and tell them.
What your dm does is so cruel.
Kids need building up so they can grow up with healthy self esteem and be happy , productive, for filled adults
What your mum does is the opposite
She may have had a difficult upbringing but that's not an excuse to be obnoxious
Yes she's obnoxious to your kids and you.
Back in the day we used to call it ' a nasty piece of work'
And people like that just don't get it and rarely change.

pizzaHeart · 24/12/2022 10:01

I understand that you can’t throw her out but you need to act and accept that you are going to upset her. so you need to work out some rules with your DH for yourselves and then stick to them.
every time she’s starting upsetting conversation stop her and tell her you don’t want to discuss it. If she’s criticizing the food tell her, calmly and politely that it’s a pity she doesn’t like it and she can cook something herself if she wants. Plan something out of the house with DC and leave your mum to spend some to without you.
in general my rule would be to contradict politely every time when it’s worth it and ignore completely every time it’s not worth it. Like you would with a toddler.

butterfliedtwo · 24/12/2022 10:05

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 24/12/2022 09:08

More worryingly than all that, my DD7 is quite uncomfortable around her. Grandma often says quite critical things to DD7 and I do call her out on it when it happens, but DD asked me today when grandma was leaving

OP, I was eight when it became very obvious that my maternal grandmother didn't like me. In fact, years later I heard my mother accusing her of never having liked me - I have no idea why, but probably because I'm not male. Your daughter is going to remember this and wonder why you didn't defend her better than just calling her out on it.

This.

It's a pretty big clue that she's vocal about wanting her to leave. Poor kid.

Even harmonious families struggle with ten days. It's a lot.

thesurrealist · 24/12/2022 10:08

She's gaslighting you and upsetting your child.

Get rid of her. And I'd say not just for Christmas.

Wonnle · 24/12/2022 10:16

Another option is for you and your daughter to bugger off and stay somewhere else leaving your mum there on her own .

You also need to tell her she's not coming to yours to stay ever again

butterfliedtwo · 24/12/2022 11:08

Wonnle · 24/12/2022 10:16

Another option is for you and your daughter to bugger off and stay somewhere else leaving your mum there on her own .

You also need to tell her she's not coming to yours to stay ever again

What has the husband done to deserve being left alone with his awful mother in law? If anything I'd suggest he takes the children out of the house a lot over the next week. Removes the daughter from the grandmother's criticism.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/12/2022 12:51

What has the husband done to deserve being left alone with his awful mother in law?

You may well ask, butterfliedtwo Hmm
For me the real irony is that, had this been a man enabling his ghastly mother to be cruel to the children, there'd have been a chorus of "You don't have a MIL problem but a DH problem" and "LTB"

Having been through it I understand "FOG"only too well, but OP might be wise to consider that, while the poor DCs have little choice in this, her DH certainly does

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/12/2022 12:57

Your daughter is going to remember this and wonder why you didn't defend her better than just calling her out on it

Quite - and if DD speaks up about this in later years, OP, instead of considering her own role in the issue, will probably wonder why she too is being "cruel"

Nobody pretends this is easy, but even if they struggle to do the right thing for themselves, I believe most women will do it for the childrens' sake

Miserableoldcowww · 25/12/2022 19:17

I looked up FOG and it was really helpful - thanks to those who suggested it. It all sounded very familiar and has let me start to understand my own behaviour.

Christmas has been a treat. in fact it really has been lovely with the children but mother's behaviour has been interesting - when we all started opening presents in the morning, she sat on the sidelines claiming to enjoy watching the children but there were no smiles or joining in, she looked quite detached. Then she disappeared and came back with a bag of presents as she hadn't thought to put them under the tree the night before, and the children's presents were signed from Santa and Grandma (I never believed in Santa as a child as my mother wanted credit for the presents!). She then plonked herself down stating that she was overwhelmed by the whole thing, to which I didn't really respond. And a few minutes later she started crying - still in the first flurry of helping the children with their presents - because she and my father divorced (30 years ago!!) and she was worried that it had ruined Christmas for me?!?!

A big part of me thinks that she's doing anything to get attention, another part of me thinks that she's a poor old lady who needs support. In any case, my husband and I have had a long talk and he says he's not willing to have her stay again due to her upsetting DD7. And he's been very kind to me even though I have let her come back to our house again so am basically aiding and abetting.

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Miserableoldcowww · 25/12/2022 19:19

Just to clarify, it's not DH putting his foot down with me about my mother not staying. I suggested it and he agreed vehemently, and I'm very grateful to him as I really don't trust my own judgement a lot of the time

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picklemewalnuts · 25/12/2022 19:24

She was attention seeking. She can see her own failure in the lovely Christmas and relationships your family has. She doesn't like it. She doesn't like the reflection on her. She doesn't like that she's the least important person in the room.

My mum is doing similar. Not tearful, but insisting on controlling the conversation, bringing everything back to her.

picklemewalnuts · 25/12/2022 19:25

I mean, she may well be old and sad and vulnerable, but that's not why she's how she is.

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SomethingOriginal2 · 25/12/2022 19:26

Testina · 23/12/2022 17:41

“More worryingly than all that, my DD7 is quite uncomfortable around her. Grandma often says quite critical things to DD7 and I do call her out on it when it happens”

You’re not going to want to hear it, but you’re failing your daughter.

Tell your mother to leave.

If you haven’t got the strength in you to do that, “call her out” 🙄 a bit more decisively and tell your daughter that she won’t be staying again.

Yeah sorry, this.

Miserableoldcowww · 25/12/2022 20:30

I'm sorry to hear it @picklemewalnuts . Have you decided if you're going to do anything about it?

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picklemewalnuts · 25/12/2022 20:39

Mine's 83 and lives 3 hours away. My children are adults. I can manage the situation, and my children were taught that grandma's gifts, words and affection are not related to their own qualities. My boys were assured of their own qualities, and knew granny's gifts words and affection were unreliable. They have learned how to manage difficult people.

While they were small, my dad was alive and was lovely. He was a great counterbalance to her! Kept her on her best behaviour!

Stomacharmeleon · 26/12/2022 23:09

Well you are aiding and abetting.
Make this the last time for your daughters sake.

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