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Zara Aleena

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JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 08:55

Unless I've missed it, this sentencing seemed to pass without even a mention on here. AIBU to wonder why this Man was even on the streets, freed from prison just a week before he committed such an unthinkable heinous crime against a lone female?

news.sky.com/story/zara-aleena-serial-offender-sentenced-to-minimum-of-38-years-for-brutal-murder-of-law-graduate-as-she-walked-home-12767756

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TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 14:19

Have a little look on his social media....will answer a few questions around this guy!

JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 14:25

I just wonder if the fact a woman he didn't even know was dead within 9 days of his release might suggest the parole board perhaps got this one a bit wrong. What about that paedophile they released a few years back who raped several women and a girl and boy while on the run for days? Sometimes they get it wrong.

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Ohtheweatheroutsideistoocold · 17/12/2022 14:28

I'm not one to advocate for overly harsh sentences, I often feel the UK needs to follow more rehabilitative forms of prison than our current system.

However I also question how someone who was getting into trouble roughly every three weeks on average in prison for aggressive behaviour/assault was ever considered ready for release.

If he was assaulting people in prison why didn't he get convicted for that and time added to his sentence?

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 14:31

no I do not work in probation

work closely with probation

TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 14:31

He maybe did get time added. Those details aren't given

StopStartStop · 17/12/2022 14:44

Angry enough to brush aside arguments about sentencing. This problem is with ALL men, those who get caught, those who don't. The ones who never get charged. All your nice little husbands watching porn on their phones and your teenage boys eyeing up your friends. Men oppress us through our fully justified fear.

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 15:09

JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 14:25

I just wonder if the fact a woman he didn't even know was dead within 9 days of his release might suggest the parole board perhaps got this one a bit wrong. What about that paedophile they released a few years back who raped several women and a girl and boy while on the run for days? Sometimes they get it wrong.

For starters, this was not a parole board case. Secondly, I would have taken on board the convictions relating to women in my overall risk assessment BUT if they were outnumbered by the amount of convictions with a male victim, I would have had to think very carefully about how this would play out with future risk of serious harm. Finally, yes, we do have to accept that some people don’t want to engage in rehabilitation programmes/work and then it comes down to pure risk management. You cannot force people to engage.

JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 15:19

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 15:09

For starters, this was not a parole board case. Secondly, I would have taken on board the convictions relating to women in my overall risk assessment BUT if they were outnumbered by the amount of convictions with a male victim, I would have had to think very carefully about how this would play out with future risk of serious harm. Finally, yes, we do have to accept that some people don’t want to engage in rehabilitation programmes/work and then it comes down to pure risk management. You cannot force people to engage.

Oh of course, we cannot force people to engage. You see what I am reading is that there had been over 100 violent incidents involving him inside prison. Surely with a person with such a high propensity to violence inside prison and such a long history of violent assaults outside, there must need to at least be some consideration as to whether the public may be at risk if they are not rehabilitated before release? I'm just seeing red flags all over this since he was at least 14, followed by endless repeat offending and very little evidence of reform. It seems like a car crash everyone else could see coming.

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Greenshake · 17/12/2022 15:23

His statistical scores would have been sky high BUT on determinate sentences cases like this, they are coming out at release date wherever else goes on. The only exception would have been if he received another custodial sentence for a new offence, rather than an adjudication.

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 15:24

Plus Covid precautions/staffing issues have decimated the availability of interventions and programmes in prison.

JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 15:34

It's actually quite frightening when you think about it. Anyone can potentially be lot out on the streets by the sound of it.

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Ohtheweatheroutsideistoocold · 17/12/2022 15:37

I'm just shocked that with nearly 200 violent incidents in prison there isn't a process to extend his sentence substantially

It feels like everyone is looking at each tiny infraction at a time and not standing back and looking at the whole picture

This is a man who has been violent on hundred of occasions to both men and women, who has conviction after conviction and who just get released despite the fact his aggression hadn't changed.

there must be a better way of doing this.

girlfrien · 17/12/2022 15:39

We ought to be able to put him down. If a dog randomly attacked someone like that and killed them, they woud be destroyed. Its disgusting that there is nothing we can do with him. No respect for anyone or anything and why is he allowed to refuse to come up for sentencing that should be another year or two on the sentence too soft!!

Did anyone of the women who were followed that night report it to the police if so why not? They could have saved Zaras life?

girlfrien · 17/12/2022 15:40

Ohtheweatheroutsideistoocold · 17/12/2022 14:28

I'm not one to advocate for overly harsh sentences, I often feel the UK needs to follow more rehabilitative forms of prison than our current system.

However I also question how someone who was getting into trouble roughly every three weeks on average in prison for aggressive behaviour/assault was ever considered ready for release.

If he was assaulting people in prison why didn't he get convicted for that and time added to his sentence?

some people are not able to be rehabilitated though!

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 15:43

JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 15:34

It's actually quite frightening when you think about it. Anyone can potentially be lot out on the streets by the sound of it.

Yes, you are right. You will come across these people every day and not even have an inkling. My role has given me so much access to them and it’s an eye opener.

Ohtheweatheroutsideistoocold · 17/12/2022 15:44

girlfrien · 17/12/2022 15:39

We ought to be able to put him down. If a dog randomly attacked someone like that and killed them, they woud be destroyed. Its disgusting that there is nothing we can do with him. No respect for anyone or anything and why is he allowed to refuse to come up for sentencing that should be another year or two on the sentence too soft!!

Did anyone of the women who were followed that night report it to the police if so why not? They could have saved Zaras life?

I don't agree with the death sentence although I understand why people do

I honestly think that there is something mentally wrong with someone like this and that therefore they belong in an institution not a prison. where they can be treated and helped and, importantly, not allowed to leave unless their condition improves.

I'm not suprised the women didn't report it, it's in the area the met police cover isn't it? does any woman trust them any more?

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 15:47

I am not a fan of the blanket statements re the Police. Many of them work very hard to protect people and I trust them to do so in the vast majority of cases.

girlfrien · 17/12/2022 15:49

I'm not suprised the women didn't report it, it's in the area the met police cover isn't it? does any woman trust them any more?

I dont think its that its just that they didnt ( i think). Maybe he could have been stopped and recalled to prison before he attacked Zara.

Still cant understand why he wanted to attack and kill a lone women why what had she done to him (nothing)

TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 15:51

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 15:47

I am not a fan of the blanket statements re the Police. Many of them work very hard to protect people and I trust them to do so in the vast majority of cases.

Me too

They are under fire atm but majority don't deserve that label

SylvanianFrenemies · 17/12/2022 15:53

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 11:31

Some of the posters on here are rightfully upset and angry about this. Unfortunately they lack knowledge of the systems and processes they talk about and are trying to blame the wrong people for this man’s abominable crimes.

This.

Ohtheweatheroutsideistoocold · 17/12/2022 15:58

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 15:47

I am not a fan of the blanket statements re the Police. Many of them work very hard to protect people and I trust them to do so in the vast majority of cases.

Many of the police do, I've actually worked in a job that involved working closely with the police in the past and I respect a lot of them and what they do.

However the met has had incident after incident over the past couple of years. They haven't put a lot of effort into rehabilitating their image with the public, particularly with women and therefore a lot of women I speak with quite understandably don't trust them.

Unless they work with public to regain their trust more incidents will go unreported

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 15:59

That’s exactly what they are doing now. They know what they need to do and are doing it, but obviously this will take time.

Clymene · 18/12/2022 08:13

Zara's aunt wants perps to be compelled to appear in court.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/41437316-7e48-11ed-b6fc-19c5cc1590c2?shareToken=9629874f4eec0cfd13e5841658fb1ef3

At the end of the article is a timeline of McSweeney's criminal past. Quite horrific

Clymene · 18/12/2022 08:20

And no women don't report to the police. For good reason

Some police officers believed most rape reports are instances of ‘regretful sex’ www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4700042-some-police-officers-believed-most-rape-reports-are-instances-of-regretful-sex

Wayne Couzens colleagues knew what he was like. They called him the rapist ffs. Domestic violence committed by serving officers is a massive issue and is not taken remotely seriously by the Met

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/accused-met-police-officers-on-duty-domestic-abuse-claims-b1036975.html

TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 18/12/2022 08:24

Forcing them to attend? You'd have to physically strap them to a wheelchair or something then. How else could staff enforce attendance?

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