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Zara Aleena

134 replies

JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 08:55

Unless I've missed it, this sentencing seemed to pass without even a mention on here. AIBU to wonder why this Man was even on the streets, freed from prison just a week before he committed such an unthinkable heinous crime against a lone female?

news.sky.com/story/zara-aleena-serial-offender-sentenced-to-minimum-of-38-years-for-brutal-murder-of-law-graduate-as-she-walked-home-12767756

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Greenshake · 17/12/2022 11:44

I would agree with your view that the system often does not take violence against women seriously. I work in the field and spend an inordinate amount of time arguing with Legal Advisors and Magistrates about these cases and the right thing to do. Having said that, the vast majority of people who commit violent offences do not progress to murder. Defence lawyers are very specific when it comes to the precise nature of an offenders previous history and you would need to craft a very careful risk assessment in a case like McSweeneys, based on evidence.

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 11:48

TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 11:41

His crime in 2010...strangulation for a first offence (assuming the 2009 offence was juvenile)

Isn't there an alert index or something if a first crime is strangulation?

It has very recently become an offence in its own right. This was not the case in 2010 unfortunately.

EmmaAgain22 · 17/12/2022 11:50

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 11:24

I may be wrong, but I have not read anything about previous convictions that specifically relate to women?

Read the info, it's all there

you may prefer this link

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63956133

OP, the main reason I know about is because family friends live there, but I largely ignore media so can't comment re coverage.

I don't believe there's really any good sense in how all this is run. Increasingly I think the whole thing is just a jobs junket and nobody cares what happens to anyone, really.

TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 11:51

I was a victim of dom abuse back in 2003/2004

Women's aid told me it's a red flag if first offence contained strangulation attempt. Once they go to that level there's no turning back. That's what I was told anyway

I work with men like this. There's no rehabilitation... look at his behaviour in prison. You just cannot work with people like this, his whole time inside sounds hideous.

Clymene · 17/12/2022 11:54

So his partner went to the police with visible injuries and reported him for DV and they did nothing?

FFS. So in fact the only reason he has no convictions for VAW is that he wasn't prosecuted.

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 11:54

@EmmaAgain22 the first matter was committed as a juvenile and there is often an info sharing issue with this type of thing. The second matter is definitely more concerning.

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 12:52

Because I work in rehabilitation

I am well aware how many dangerous people are living in society with little support it’s shocking

TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 12:54

@HRTQueen so what should have been done to rehabilitate this man that wasn't? In your opinion?

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 13:00

Work while he was in prison

more provisions when he had left prison

MissyB1 · 17/12/2022 13:01

The signs of violence towards women are often there when they are young in my opinion. But excuses get made, parents and other adults look away or minimise. Incidents don’t get reported to relevant authorities.

At my ds senior school a boy got suspended for one day for slapping a girl across the face in the middle of a lesson 😡 Back at school after the one day, crowing about what he had done, and thinking he was the coolest thing since sliced bread.

TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 13:03

Did you read about his behaviour in prison @HRTQueen ? I work in a men's prison. I can't see how to rehabilitate this man from the below info...can you?

His record of adjudications in custody shows that he had 223 adjudications between 6 August 2010 and 2 June 2022. 165 of which resulted in charges; 139 resulted in verdicts; and 169 resulted in sanctions. Among them are numerous adjudications for committing ‘assault’, and for ‘using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour’. The Police Intelligence Unit Incidents for a Prisoner report records 102 incidents for Jordan McSweeney between 2 August 2012 and 17 April 2022. Amongst these incidents are serious assaults on other inmates, improvised weapons being found in Jordan McSweeney’s possession, and general disobedience.

TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 13:04

There was a lot more detailed in the adjudication....threatening to cut off heads/rip prison officers apart....

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 13:18

I believe in rehabilitation but the work in long it’s expensive and doesn’t work for everyone

the area in work in is well funded we have a very good track record but that is down to a huge team around then and them not getting caught out we can never ever know what an ex offender is always up to once living in the community

but it can certainly be improved to make the lost vulnerable safer

apparently Gary Glitter is due out very soon let’s hope not

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 13:20

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 13:00

Work while he was in prison

more provisions when he had left prison

Such as? And were you privy to his licence conditions? I see you have totally avoided my questions about recall?

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 13:28

recall is not straight forward

provisions more support for those leaving prison

should he have left prison that is a different matter

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 13:30

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 13:28

recall is not straight forward

provisions more support for those leaving prison

should he have left prison that is a different matter

I am a Probation Officer. I would wager you are not.

TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 13:34

He didn't engage @HRTQueen so what more support would you suggest? A hug?

He refused to engage with legal teams
Refused to engage with prison staff
Refused to engage with probation upon release

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 13:41

Then he isn’t ready to be released

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 13:42

and where do you think I feel he needs a hug 🙄

JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 13:42

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 11:24

I may be wrong, but I have not read anything about previous convictions that specifically relate to women?

"In 2010, when he was a teenager, McSweeney was convicted over an attack on a young woman he had left with a swollen eye. Eleven years later, he was made the subject of a restraining order that barred him from contacting another female victim"

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TheLittlestLightOnTheXmasTree · 17/12/2022 13:42

What @HRTQueen ?

He served his sentence. That's it. Do you really work in this field?

JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 13:50

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 11:31

Some of the posters on here are rightfully upset and angry about this. Unfortunately they lack knowledge of the systems and processes they talk about and are trying to blame the wrong people for this man’s abominable crimes.

He had more than one conviction for assaulting women. That's the two we know pressed charges. There will without doubt be others now feeling lucky to be alive. It would appear that the risk he posed to the safety of women was well documented and not new. It would also appear to have been grossly underestimated.

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Greenshake · 17/12/2022 13:57

You would need to take that up with the sentencing Judge.

HRTQueen · 17/12/2022 14:01

yes I do

the system needs reforming
i have said it is woefully inadequate hence why we see many repeat offenders there is so much violence

it’s not just about serving a sentence though is it if that was the case we wouldn’t have this revolving door

JoyBeorge · 17/12/2022 14:16

Greenshake · 17/12/2022 13:57

You would need to take that up with the sentencing Judge.

You said you hadn't read anything about any convictions against women. None of it was hidden or particularly new. Now that you do know he did have specific convictions for violence against women, does it change anything in your view? Must we just accept that he didn't want to engage with any anti violence programs?

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