For all those who support the strikes

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Where do you think the money will come from for all the pay rises? Are you personally willing to pay more tax?
We all saw during the pandemic it is the poorly paid essential workers that kept the country going and they totally deserve more money than the claps they got. However will YOU be prepared to contribute to the pot ?

If not where do you think the govn will find more money from?

The govt could stop spunking it up the wall to back up their lies and empty promises.
Might be a start.

The same place they found the £££ for the MP’s pay rise.

Personally yes. The amount of extra tax per person would be minimal over the course of a year. I also expect the Gov to stop funding useless shite that benefits the few whilst we have a public service crisis on our hands that negatively impacts the many.

Maybe if they hadn't handed £billions in dodgy PPE contracts to their mates there would be a bit more cash to fund the NHS.

Yes, it will cost more than it currently does. What do you think is the alternative? Buying in agency staff won't be cheaper. Buying in services from private hospitals won't be cheaper. Having to go private won't be cheaper for me as an individual.

Yes of course I'd be willing to pay more tax.
Paying a decent chunk of tax in return for a fair society os right and good.
Why? Are you not?

Well Shell announced record breaking profits and paid 0 tax so….

What @Randomness12 said.

We can't afford the problems that come with malfunctioning public services, running things into the ground is short sighted and a false economy.

Yes.

No

Please don't think that any of this xhit show is down to lack of money thiugh. The defunding of public srvices is a very deliberate ideological tactic.

Yes.

Tax loopholes on the super wealthy should also be closed and companies who have profited hugely over the energy price hike should face a robust windfalll tax.

Same place they magic up funds for shite like MPs' pay and the Queen's funeral.

the money for nurses pay rises will easily be able to be taken out of

1. The money they spend on agency staff
2. The money they will save by not having to top them up with universal credits.

But if that didn't cover it then i'd quite happily pay more taxes.

If the staff where properly paid and the conditions where better then it would actually stop them wasting money through agency staff and cancelled clinics and operations.

add to that the money we lose through the goverment wasting and it shouldn’t be impossible.

Public services have been under paid and under resourced for years - we are already suffering and it does need to be addressed.
To give you an example - teaching recruitment crisis. The starting wage for a teacher in no way reflects the hours or accountability.

This government is incredibly wasteful. They wasted BILLIONS of pounds buying unusable PPE from companies hastily set up by Tory donors and Tory peers.

They have also spent billions trying to shore up Brexit and make it palatable, when really it is the biggest white elephant we've had to accept in a very long time.

Every time the government is forced to u turn on one of their stupid ideas, it costs hundred of thousands, if not millions, of pounds.

The way I would fund all the pay rises and improvement of working conditions is to vote for a better government.

I'd be happy to pay more in taxes if it meant public sector workers such as nurses, fire and police officers got paid a decent wage for the jobs they do. Trouble is, if we pay more in tax, there's no way of ring fencing the increase for any particular sector.

I'd be even happier if we had a half decent government who stopped giving their pals million dollar contracts, themselves pay rises when they earn enough already and ensured big foreign companies paid their fair whack in taxes!

Yes of course.

And if people are paid higher wages they pay more income tax themselves (so the government gets some of it back anyway). Also, they will spend more on VAT rated products (so the government gets a bit more of it back), and they spend the money in the private sector, keeping that afloat, so maintaining employment and reducing redundancies, which increases the tax take even more, and reduces the benefit expenditure...

The economy is not a household budget.

No personally I can't afford to pay more tax sorry. I work for a charity. We're very low paid and overworked too. Only we don't have a union. And everyone seems ro forget about us. It's all public sector workers vs private. Nobody even remembers there's a 3rd sector in these threads.

OP please don’t suck up the PR that the Torries are so cleaver at distributing.

They want you to have this view, it’s smoke and mirrors. By making the public feel cross at Nurses, rail workers, etc we don’t focus our anger where it really should be.

• Mini budget fiasco
• PPE fiasco
• Brexit financial fall out
• Under taxing energy companies such as Shell etc

Your enemy is not a nurse who is trying to pay her heating. It’s a millionaire who is trying to become a billionaire.

The rise of the ‘third sector’ is an interesting one.

Remove and privatise public sector, increase charity sector - stealth tax. Just imagine what could be done if instead of us all paying to charities we paid that in tax.

Shell actually paid about $58.7 billion in tax globally in 2021. They just happen to not have paid anything in respect of North Sea drilling activities because of the facts of those activities that didn’t incur tax. So that’s not really helpful.

if we want better public services we have to be honest that WE have to pay for them. It isn’t the case that large companies are not being taxed and there is an easy solution. Large companies already pay vast amounts of tax and tax law is extremely complicated. There are no easy answers.

Ridiculous post, I’m no fan of MP’s but they got a 2.9% pay rise, and there’s not many of them so total cost is peanuts

the third sector are usually (but not always) delivering services more efficiently and at less cost than the public sector.

the amounts paid to charities are a pittance compared to taxation.

Nadhim Zahawi claimed 5000 of taxpayers money to heat his horses stables.

Maybe if they stopped spunking money up the wall they could afford it?