Page 6 | For all those who support the strikes

AdamRyan · 16/12/2022 08:14

sst1234 · 16/12/2022 08:02

Who are the rich? Anyone earning £1 more than you? Care to share elaborate on your placard slogan?

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OK I'll engage on this I'd increase taxes on people not in a company PAYE scheme and earning over 100k. At the moment too many of them use loopholes around paying themselves minimum wage + "dividends" from their company and end up paying basic rate tax only. I think that's disgusting.

However this Conservative government have cancelled IR35 reforms that were meant to target these people.

In my view "the rich" are that sector who can afford to pay accountants and restructure their financial affairs to minimise the tax they pay to almost nothing. The government need to do something to tax these people.

Increase CGT, increase corporation tax or put a higher tax on dividends. Go back to cracking down on IR35.

Focusing on PAYE tax bands is an error as most of the "ultra rich" aren't in the PAYE system

FixTheBone · 16/12/2022 08:14

chopc · 16/12/2022 06:03

Where do you think the money will come from for all the pay rises? Are you personally willing to pay more tax?
We all saw during the pandemic it is the poorly paid essential workers that kept the country going and they totally deserve more money than the claps they got. However will YOU be prepared to contribute to the pot ?

If not where do you think the govn will find more money from?

a) From Rich people

b)Yes

Not hard.

One of the richest countries in the world, and you genuinely believe we cant afford to pay essential workers enough to eat and heat their houses?

Mintleafcocktail · 16/12/2022 08:16

HettySunshine · 16/12/2022 06:14

This government is incredibly wasteful. They wasted BILLIONS of pounds buying unusable PPE from companies hastily set up by Tory donors and Tory peers.

They have also spent billions trying to shore up Brexit and make it palatable, when really it is the biggest white elephant we've had to accept in a very long time.

Every time the government is forced to u turn on one of their stupid ideas, it costs hundred of thousands, if not millions, of pounds.

The way I would fund all the pay rises and improvement of working conditions is to vote for a better government.

Exactly. The government has wasted billions, I would be happy to pay more tax if this stopped and they taxed the mega wealthy more and prevented them using tax avoidance schemes.

helford · 16/12/2022 08:19

All the lockdown already spent all of it. £1 trillion of it to be precise. Yes that’s right. The Covid restrictions to make you ‘feel safe’ cost £1 trillion of borrowed and printed money

It was £320bn of GOvt money and QE, NOT £1 trillion, helps if posters tell the truth.

Sunak allowed £9bn to be unpaid in tax, that would give Nurses a significant pay rise.

WatchoRulo · 16/12/2022 08:19

Pleasepleasepleaseno · 16/12/2022 06:22

No personally I can't afford to pay more tax sorry. I work for a charity. We're very low paid and overworked too. Only we don't have a union. And everyone seems ro forget about us. It's all public sector workers vs private. Nobody even remembers there's a 3rd sector in these threads.

Shelter charity workers unionised and have had a strike.

FixTheBone · 16/12/2022 08:19

The thing that people forget, and never talk about, is that virtually all of that money will go straight back into the economy.

25-30% on tax

most of the rest will be spent on essentials like food, clothes and energy

whereas money for the richest few % of the country ends up out of the country in investments, trust funds etc.

It's amazing that we've built an entire world economy on moving money - transactions are what keeps everything going, just so the richest can horde their cash whilst us plebs continually chase our own tails.

ShelleyPercy · 16/12/2022 08:19

Pleasepleasepleaseno · 16/12/2022 06:22

No personally I can't afford to pay more tax sorry. I work for a charity. We're very low paid and overworked too. Only we don't have a union. And everyone seems ro forget about us. It's all public sector workers vs private. Nobody even remembers there's a 3rd sector in these threads.

Of course you have a union, Unison, GMB and Unite each represent charity sector workers. Its not public vs private vs any other type of workers, its all workers together vs the government and the big bosses.

If you're very low paid and overworked, join your union and organise your co-workers to make change.

IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord · 16/12/2022 08:21

chopc · 16/12/2022 06:03

Where do you think the money will come from for all the pay rises? Are you personally willing to pay more tax?
We all saw during the pandemic it is the poorly paid essential workers that kept the country going and they totally deserve more money than the claps they got. However will YOU be prepared to contribute to the pot ?

If not where do you think the govn will find more money from?

Is that you, Jeremy?

VeggieSalsa · 16/12/2022 08:21

NashvilleQueen · 16/12/2022 06:12

Yes.

Tax loopholes on the super wealthy should also be closed and companies who have profited hugely over the energy price hike should face a robust windfalll tax.

What “loopholes”?!

There really aren’t any nowadays.
Higher rates or broader base is the only answer.

WatchoRulo · 16/12/2022 08:23

Focusing on PAYE tax bands is an error as most of the "ultra rich" aren't in the PAYE system
I agree
Go back to cracking down on IR35.
That never went away - the contracting sector (or which I used to be a part) has massively reduced - many of the people I know have retired or moved abroad as a result of it, and a lot of the work has gone to companies like Infosys and is done overseas so results in no UK tax take. IR35 is overly complex - it would be so much better to simplify and harmonise the tax regime for all.

FredaFox · 16/12/2022 08:24

Era · 16/12/2022 06:59

Not a popular view I suspect but I wonder whether public sector workers would be prepared to sacrifice their defined benefit pensions for a pay rise? With the government paying around 25% in pension contributions on top of their salary, perhaps one solution is award significant pay rises but reduce the pension?

this. With bells on. I’m sorry but the way things are portrayed is too simplistic. The pension cost taxpayers an absolute fortune. If the pension wasn’t so ridiculously generous then there would be more for salary. It’s about being realistic and putting the money where it needs to be (ie more cash now, not in retirement)

I say this as someone with a public sector pension pot

This!!! Pensions are ridiculous!
I will never be able to get the same pension in the private sector. My pension is shocking

I do agree nurses should be paid better but when nhs get pay rises should Joan doing an admin get the same increase as a nurse? No
Reward the front line staff not the pen pushers, put your life at work at risk and get paid for it
As for the rail strikes I'm sick of it, the service gets worse every year, the costs go up and now the strikes. Take the rail industry back to nationalised stop the big profit and reinvest into the network, trains in Europe are so much better and cheaper

Lilifer · 16/12/2022 08:26

HollyDollyChristmas · 16/12/2022 06:07

The same place they found the £££ for the MP’s pay rise.

Yup

WatchoRulo · 16/12/2022 08:27

There really aren’t any nowadays.
That's a bit ignorant - there are still plenty, why do you think the really rich still funnel their cash to offshore trusts?

Lalliella · 16/12/2022 08:27

Tax the rich more - income tax and inheritance tax.
Get rid of non-dom status.
Introduce a financial transactions tax.
Reduce the lifetime allowance on pensions, and increase the final salary scheme multiplier of 20 to bring it more into line with money purchase.
Abolish the royal family!
Scrap HS2.

And yes, I would be prepared to pay more tax. I’m comfortably off and I’m a socialist. I believe in equality and fairness.

Stompythedinosaur · 16/12/2022 08:29

FredaFox · 16/12/2022 08:24

This!!! Pensions are ridiculous!
I will never be able to get the same pension in the private sector. My pension is shocking

I do agree nurses should be paid better but when nhs get pay rises should Joan doing an admin get the same increase as a nurse? No
Reward the front line staff not the pen pushers, put your life at work at risk and get paid for it
As for the rail strikes I'm sick of it, the service gets worse every year, the costs go up and now the strikes. Take the rail industry back to nationalised stop the big profit and reinvest into the network, trains in Europe are so much better and cheaper

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"Joan in admin" is an important and skilled part of the team.

NHS admin staff are absolutely vital!

Bridgi · 16/12/2022 08:29

Most of the pay rise will make it back to the government one way or another!!!

AclowncalledAlice · 16/12/2022 08:29

If not where do you think the govn will find more money from?

The same place they managed to find £40bil (so far), to build a railway that has the sole purpose of getting from London to B'ham 30 minutes earlier than now.
Despite the govrn arguing (when it comes to the rail strikes at least), that there is no money and less people are using the trains anyway, the final cost of the HS2 vanity project is estimated to reach upwards of £100bil....but there's no money right?

BeesAndBirds · 16/12/2022 08:30

Unifolorn · 16/12/2022 08:10

They do this in Wales already.

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Do they contract them in once they've funded their training?

WatchoRulo · 16/12/2022 08:30

FixTheBone · 16/12/2022 08:19

The thing that people forget, and never talk about, is that virtually all of that money will go straight back into the economy.

25-30% on tax

most of the rest will be spent on essentials like food, clothes and energy

whereas money for the richest few % of the country ends up out of the country in investments, trust funds etc.

It's amazing that we've built an entire world economy on moving money - transactions are what keeps everything going, just so the richest can horde their cash whilst us plebs continually chase our own tails.

^This 100% and I am amazed that people think there are no tax loopholes. There are loads of loopholes if you are rich enough. for us plebs, not so much.

lieselotte · 16/12/2022 08:30

Randomness12 · 16/12/2022 06:08

Personally yes. The amount of extra tax per person would be minimal over the course of a year. I also expect the Gov to stop funding useless shite that benefits the few whilst we have a public service crisis on our hands that negatively impacts the many.

All of this.

And the companies that are making profits out of running public services here can make slightly smaller profits and pay their people more equitably.

GimmeBiscuits · 16/12/2022 08:32

PAFMO · 16/12/2022 06:04

The govt could stop spunking it up the wall to back up their lies and empty promises.
Might be a start.

Absolutely.
How much did they waste on failed and non existent business deals, including the PPE and track & trace fiasco?
How much of a pay rise have they had? Not to mention the amount they get in salaries, paid for giving speeches, and expenses claims.
What happened to the money we would free up by not being in the EU?

Talipesmum · 16/12/2022 08:33

Yes, happy to pay more tax for better funded public services, and for that tax to be focussed on the more well off. Including me.

TimeLimit · 16/12/2022 08:35

The FT article said to raise all public sector workers pay in line with inflation would cost every household in the uk £1000

Quveas · 16/12/2022 08:35

chopc · 16/12/2022 06:03

Where do you think the money will come from for all the pay rises? Are you personally willing to pay more tax?
We all saw during the pandemic it is the poorly paid essential workers that kept the country going and they totally deserve more money than the claps they got. However will YOU be prepared to contribute to the pot ?

If not where do you think the govn will find more money from?

Back at you. Where do you think millions of people are going to get the money to pay for food and fuel when their wages are worth 25%+ less than they were ten years ago? Profits are soaring, companies are paying little of any tax and you think people should stand for that and starve???

FredaFox · 16/12/2022 08:36

@Stompythedinosaur I'm not saying admin roles are not important and they are needed in the nhs, fire, police services but should they get the same benefits as somebody putting their life at risk? No
If there's money to be given reward the front line