For all those who support the strikes

[chopc]

Where do you think the money will come from for all the pay rises? Are you personally willing to pay more tax?
We all saw during the pandemic it is the poorly paid essential workers that kept the country going and they totally deserve more money than the claps they got. However will YOU be prepared to contribute to the pot ?

If not where do you think the govn will find more money from?

Yes I'm more than willing to pay more tax, but this is the main point.

The money they spend on agency staff

yeah but which Tory’s own the agency’s

Was it 350 million we'd lost per week by being in the EU? Welll.... that's where.

Conservatives say we can't afford public sector pay rises at £28bn. But £11.3bn goes straight back to the government in tax. So actual cost is down to £16.7bn. Say the rest gets spent on goods and services, supporting peoples livelihoods. VAT 20%, that's more coming back in to govt coffers, bringing costs down to £9.5bn. Pay people more and they will stay in teaching, NHS, public service. Vacancies will be filled. Productivity will rise. What's the £ benefit of that to offset.

I agree with all the comments on here about the govt spunking money up the wall. Brexit. That ppe cock up. Even HS2. Make no mistake, they could afford it. This is a choice.

I would happily pay more tax to fund health care including decent wages and remember nurses, paramedics etc pay tax too on their increased salary. I object to funding the lavish life styles if MPs and think the very rich should pay more.

There’s plenty of money.

Where do you think the money will come from for all the pay rises? Are you personally willing to pay more tax?

redistribute the wealth and close the gap, no need for tax to be raised on the poor to cover their own rises in the public sector

Yes I would pay more
Some of the funding suggestions are laughable
made from headline grabbing 1/2 truths

but for me the need an honest campaign

there was a single parent nurse on about having to use food banks . The issue there was she’s 2 kids working part time . That’s why she’s skint it’s her circumstances not her hourly rate

whilst valued work they make out no one else does 12hr shifts, unpaid overtime or has life and death responsibility in there jobs

again another specialist nurse been a nurse for years she works full time. With overtime weekend and evening allowance , she’s at least a band 6 been on year be top of pay scale she must be on 36k . Yet making out she was on peanuts and couldn’t afford to live

a lot of people there asking for support don’t earn as much as a nurse everyone thinks there on min wage

good honest campaign I’m a nurse I earn 27,30or 36k I want more would do it for me

My friends a band 7 saying he can’t afford to live then finished his sentence with he only gets 40k how can you live off that

my sister works in admin band 3 not great pay but compare it with private sector shed be on min wage . She does bank shifts in a and e as hca at what ever you call it now and get between £10.50 and £14 in private it would be min wage

just find it all a bit misleading

I think this government needs to go ASAP. Then we will be left in a position to assess how much money we got and how we can pay all working a proper leaving wage and control inflation.
The current government has costed this country money enough.
More and more people are living in substandard conditions each day when they have a job and work hard. This lot seems strangely fixated in favouring conditions under which our money goes to rich private groups rather than the common pot.

What do you want to see? What will improve the NHS without any more funding?

If they don't improve pay and conditions in the public sector then people will just leave for the private sector where they are having to raise salaries to attract staff. According to an RCN spokesperson yesterday, 85% of nursing shifts are already understaffed. It's impossible to find teachers for some subjects. My DC hasn't had a maths teacher this term and only has an English teacher part-time.

I do think this is something that has to be considered. When we think of our own household budgets it's always easy to find things that we need to spend our money on, it's working out where that money is going to come from that's the hard bit. It's the same with government spending, there are many deserving places the money could go but what we need to be discussing is where it's coming from.
Personally I would like the HS2 project stopped as I think it's a complete waste of money. The last figure I saw was that it's now up to £106billion to build it, but unfortunately as its already started I can't see the government backing down on that one now.

I personally am willing to pay more taxes, but I also believe that with decent planning, oversight and management it is possible to properly fund our public services without most people having to pay significantly more taxes.

This

650 MPs Vs 5.5 million public sector workers including over 300,000 nurses. I support the strikers but can we stop with all the anti politicians stuff.

They could start by toning down the king’s coronation next year.

The NHS is finished as a free-at-the-point-of-use model.
We have 2 choices.
Pay either directly by partial privatization or pay via the tax system.
Public goods by their very nature become overused and swamped by free riders.
This is where we are. The road system is the same. The Uk public needs to forget about VFM re cheap and cheerful and put their hands in their pockets.

This applies across the wider economy, private businesses are upping prices to accommodate higher overall costs. Trades have upped their prices. The pre covid world is NEVER coming back. Even DP this week has decided to up his 1st hr charge from £80 to £130.

Hopefully from the money accumulated from not paying MPs ludicrous expenses and other various ways countless millions are wasted each year in our parliament.

Not being able to recruit and retain nurses, paramedics and teachers is very expensive for the country, both short and long term. We all suffer if hospitals can't recruit and retain nurses.

It's not all about pay though, the working conditions are a huge factor in people leaving these careers, but the pay is easier to address.

I would pay more tax to make under-staffed public sector jobs more appealing.

Long term in NHS we do need to plan as a country what we want the NHS to do.

BBC says that's untrue. It's £700m and that figure is for every single NHS employee (1.7 million) and not just nurses (300,000).

This. Although based on their OP I feel like "decency" isn't a word @chopc is much associated with.

Here’s some facts, not something I “heard on the radio”.

From www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pension-contributions-and-tax-relief:

For the 2019-20, 2020-21, 2021-22 and 2022-23 scheme years, employers are responsible for paying 14.38 per cent of contributions, with the remaining 6.3 per cent being funded centrally.

From www.teacherspensions.co.uk/employers/managing-members/contributions/calculating-contributions.aspx

Since September 2019, the Employer contribution rate is 23.68%, including the 0.08% administration levy.

Rates the average joe working in the private sector can only dream of.

The NHS is finished as a free-at-the-point-of-use model.
We have 2 choices.
Pay either directly by partial privatization or pay via the tax system.

Most countries that are not free at the point of use still have a higher proportion of government spending on healthcare (as a proportion of GDP) than the UK, eg France, Germany, Japan, Australia. Even if you change the model, government funding still needs to increase.

The OP has only posted once, with a valid question, but you have unilaterally decided that she isn’t decent?

Reasoned debate thrives on Mumsnet!

Yes I would pay higher taxes for a fairer society. Next!

(P.S. Fuck the Tories.)