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AIBU to be upset about rude plane passenger

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Willowtree88 · 15/12/2022 23:42

My partner and I have just come back from a last minute holiday with our 18 months old son. We flew out to Spain (3.5 hours flight) for a couple a days to get away together as a family after an extremely stressful few months. Due to a combination of my work contract being suddenly not-renewed, planning for a second maternity leave in a few months and some illness in the family we have been forced to sell our much-loved family home and move in with my mother. This is a massive emotional and financial upheaval for us all and we wanted to enjoy a much-needed break as a family. We had a wonderful trip (despite the usual exhaustion of being on holiday with a toddler).

When we got on the bus to the plane, it was almost empty and so I took the opportunity to sit on one of the seats with my toddler in his pram. An older couple got on after us and proceeded to (loudly) call me rude for feeling entitled to sit down. Bear in mind that I was there first, the seat was empty and there were plenty of others, I am heavily pregnant and have painful sciatica (not that this should matter). Either way, I asked the couple if they would like to sit, but they either didn’t hear me or pretended not to. Anyway, I chalked this up to airport frustrations and we board the plane and get settled into our seats. Everything is calm and my son is happily reading his books on my husband’s lap. The couple from the bus get on and (again loudly) grumble that ‘they’re sat right behind us, typical’ as they settle into the row in front of us. They then proceed to have a conversation about whether they should ask to be moved away from the child. I am getting a bit irritated by this point as it seems to be that the only offence we have committed is simply existing with a child in a public place, but I decide to not let it bother me. I also completely appreciate that people may have had difficult experiences with small children on planes or just not want to be seated next to children and are entitled to their opinions.

I had confidence in my son’s ability to manage a short flight with no fuss (because he has done so multiple times in the past) and my partner and I’s ability to support him to manage in the case that he needed it. My son has always been a wonderful traveller and my partner and I are always prepared with all the things he needs to be comfortable and be as entertained as possible whilst on board. We are highly aware of our responsibility to manage his needs and work hard to minimise disruption to other passengers whilst meeting them. We are lucky that my son has never cried or fussed on a flight and didn’t on this one.

As far as I was concerned, my son was being a delightful passenger. He played peek a boo with me, he coloured, he ate his lunch and he read his books. At one point he took an interest in the cup holder on the seat in front and pulled this down. After he did this twice, my partner stopped him doing this by distracting him with a game, not before I saw the man in the seat in front literally wincing and telling his wife ‘see, I’m going to say something.’ In fact, every time my son spoke ( I’m taking saying the word ‘snack,’ ‘peppa’ for his cuddly toy or repeating words in the book) the man would physically wince. His wife would then tell him to ‘leave it, just leave it.’ Well he didn’t leave it. About 30 mins into the flight I got up to go to the toilet and when I got back into my seat my son asked for a cuddle (he’s quite clingy with me at the moment). As I hauled my pregnant body and son back into our cramped window seat I accidentally knocked the seat in front of me with my elbow. The man in front immediately turned around and said to me quite aggressively ‘I’m only going to say this once, keep your fcking child from kicking my seat and shut them up whilst you’re at it.’ I was absolutely shocked and tried to explain that it was me who’d knocked his seat, not my son, that it had been an accident and that I wasn’t aware he’d been making any noise but I’d happily stop him the best I could if he did. The man interrupted and told me that I was an irresponsible parent and shouldn’t have a child on the plane if I can’t ‘control it.’ My partner was really annoyed at this point and defended me by saying that my son hadn’t been kicking his chair and he didn’t feel it was appropriate to talk to me like that. The man got completely irate at this and threatened to ‘fck up’ my partner when he got to the airport. He even raised his elbow as if going to hit him until another passenger stepped in to tell him to calm down.

I was really upset so I asked the flight attendant if we could be moved elsewhere which they thankfully accommodated really quickly. However, for the rest of the flight I could hear the couple loudly complaining about us and our ‘entitlement’ and how this wouldn’t have happened if I had put my child in his own seat (he’s under 2 so legally has to sit on my lap). I have never experienced this attitude from other people before when being out and about with my child and it really shook me up. I’ve been going over and over in my head what I could have done differently to stop things from escalating the way they did but it’s really knocked my
confidence about taking my son on experiences like this, particularly on my own. Maybe it’s just the pregnancy hormones making me feel more vulnerable than usual.

I know this is a heated area and I totally
understand the agony of being on long flights with distressed and bored kids ( I used to fly multiple times a year for business and have witnessed some really awful meltdowns from passengers and kids) but I can’t help but feel we were singled out just simply because we had a child. Some of my childless friends have questioned whether or not I'm just immune to my child’s irritating noises but he was honestly reading books, watching a programme or sleeping for the entire flight. I can understand if I was being irresponsible and thoughtless towards others but I don’t feel that I was and doesn’t my child have a right to talk and interact with his family just as much as anyone else on the flight?

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Suzi888 · 16/12/2022 11:36

Seriously? You need to ask - the bloke was clearly unhinged! I would’ve gladly ripped him a new one.

Even if your child was being a handful, loud etc that is now way to speak to someone. What a vile human.

gretchinella · 16/12/2022 11:37

It's definitely him not you. He's an abusive vile bully. As others have said, you unfortunately encountered an absolute twat who thinks it's ok to speak to people like there're shit. For no good reason. I think I would have completed lost my rag with him as I won't tolerate being spoken to like that. As others have said, these types of people do exist and make reasonable people like yourself question your behaviours. Try not to let it get to you. I feel sorry for these people, they must be very unhappy in themselves to act like that.

Bigdamnheroes · 16/12/2022 11:40

He should have been arrested on landing. Or just disembarked before the steps were in position. I'd be happy with either tbh.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 16/12/2022 11:44

They sound like a pair of cunts. You did nothing wrong.

PeachyIsThinking · 16/12/2022 11:46

Even if your child has scream the entire flight threatening to f someone up would still be completely wrong! Ask to be moved, don’t make violent threats.

You’re not overreacting, most people would be upset by that.

BestOfTimesBlurstOfTimes · 16/12/2022 11:49

You did NOTHING wrong OP! You are heavily pregnant and perfectly entitled to a seat on the bus. You brought snacks, toys, and things to keep your child entertained on the flight. The man was an abusive arsehole.
We had a couple behind us flying home from Spain when DS1 was around 3 years old, who started moaning and making faces when we sat in the row in front. My son was being as good as gold, but still the tutting continued. I hadn’t realised the crew were serving drinks from the rear of the plane, so was unaware Mrs Tutter had a cup of tea. DS moved ever so slightly in his seat (as in sat up slightly straighter) and she lost it and shouted that he needed to stop moving in case she got scalded by her tea. Began hoping for a bout of turbulence after that. She was quite content to sit and peer through the gap in the seats to watch Despicable Me on his iPad though. She even tutted when he turned it off halfway through to play a game instead!

DriftwoodOnTheShore · 16/12/2022 12:05

This reminds me of a time when DS1 was about 18months and I was pregnant with DS2. We were on holiday in Norfolk and went to a pub for lunch. Before we sat down we asked the manager if it was OK to bring DS1 in. He said we were welcome, so we found a table.

It was a gourmet pub so food was cooked fresh, so there was a bit of a wait. Meanwhile a couple sat on the table next to us. Every time DS1 spoke the man tutted loudly. He huffed when DH distracted DS1 with a quiet story from his book. The waitress gave us several sympathetic looks.

DS1 shouted, "Dinner!" excitedly when it arrived and the man said we should control our kid. DH bristled but I said to just ignore. When their meal arrived the man complained that children shouldn't be allowed in. The manager (maybe owner) had brought their food. He turned to the man's wife and said (something like) "I'm so sorry that your meal has been ruined by the awful behaviour of this man. Well behaved children like this little boy are always welcome rude adults are less so."

The bloke did goldfish impressions. The manager told us the drinks were on the house. Bloke tried to persuade his wife to walk out but she said she was hungry and to just shut up. Surprisingly, he did.

Half the pub had heard so I do hope he was a local and word spread.

Americano75 · 16/12/2022 12:13

He squared up to your husband and threatened him? I'd get him lifted. Bastard.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 16/12/2022 12:28

The ageism creeping onto this thread is unpleasant. Just because the 'older couple' in the OP were awful, it doesn't mean that behaviour is the prerogative of older people. Personally I'm a lot more tolerant of noisy children (not saying OP's DC was being noisy) in middle age, than I was as a naive and hot-headed twenty-something.

TheFormidableMrsC · 16/12/2022 12:30

This is awful. If he's like that in public can you imagine what he's like at home? I would have loudly called him out and made their harassment and abuse known to the cabin crew. You should not have had to put up with that shit.

ArnoldBee · 16/12/2022 12:30

We had an older couple start loudly complaining that they were sat behind us on a flight. The odd thing was that my child was silent for the whole 3 hours and didn't move for the whole flight because he was asleep!

Mercy1968 · 16/12/2022 12:33

You did nothing wrong. I hope you had a good holiday, unlike the man s wife who was stuck with Mr Grumpy. If he wants complete silence maybe he should buy all the seats on the plane in case God forbid a young child should be on it.

I was sat behind a young family with a little boy on a recent short flight and he was chattering away to his mum and dad most of it, not loud, excited by the planes.
It made me smile actually thinking of my own dc at that age.

Grumpy man should get back in Victorian Times because nowadays children are allowed to talk.

DillonPanthersTexas · 16/12/2022 14:08

5128gap · 16/12/2022 10:17

Tbf, the incidences of small children being a nuisance on flights are significantly greater than of older couples.
I think its safe to say there's far more chance of getting your seat repeatedly kicked or enduring hours of crying and grizzling than there is of Derek and Joan marauding drunkenly down the aisle starting rows with random passengers and swearing at the crew. So it's a somewhat false comparison.
And I say this as someone who has flown with my children from babies.

I want to meet Derek and Joan!!!

Maverickess · 16/12/2022 14:31

Sounds like they're the type that identify someone/something to complain about wherever they go so they can have a good moan/complain/some drama and as is typical with these types of people, when you didn't actually cause a problem they became disappointed and decided to make it up anyway to justify their behaviour, unfortunately there's more than you'd like of them about and they're impossible to keep happy because they've already decided that there's an issue and act on that rather than responding if there is actually an issue and just going about their business if there isn't.
You didn't do anything wrong and it's far more to do with them than you, if you hadn't have had your son with you it'd have been something else they'd have found to focus on and make a drama out of with them as the victims. It wouldn't have mattered who it was, they'd have created an issue to cause some drama out of.
Does piss you off though, I get that and why, but you do just have to try and ride it out unfortunately because those types of people are everywhere.

SparkyBlue · 16/12/2022 14:37

OP you did nothing wrong. In fact you were probably too polite initially to them. I have an autistic little boy so I understand all too well some people can be absolute pricks(also some strangers can be bloody amazing). At this stage now I'm out of the toddler phase with my three if I'm on a plane or wherever I'm just thankful that the baby doesn't actually belong to me and I can tune it out.

wimbler · 16/12/2022 15:34

Your child sounds like they behaved like an angel. I hate to think what would have happened if these two nimwits had been on our most recent flight 😂I still have PTSD from my 13 month old's screaming

Americano75 · 16/12/2022 15:38

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 16/12/2022 12:28

The ageism creeping onto this thread is unpleasant. Just because the 'older couple' in the OP were awful, it doesn't mean that behaviour is the prerogative of older people. Personally I'm a lot more tolerant of noisy children (not saying OP's DC was being noisy) in middle age, than I was as a naive and hot-headed twenty-something.

Oh God, I'm the same. A kid needs to being going nuclear before I so much as glance in their direction.

Rolothecat · 16/12/2022 19:21

You’ve done nothing wrong just unfortunately sat behind mr and mrs misery. I will say though that coming back on a flight this year I felt like the child behind me was kicking the seat and , however when I looked behind he couldn’t have been kicking as his little legs were too short, he was actually leaning on the tray colouring in and drawing. Don’t let this man make you doubt yourself, it’s nice to be nice, you have a much nicer day being nice to someone

oakleaffy · 24/03/2023 00:03

@Willowtree88 He was a pleb, a rude aggressive, vile pleb.

Caroparo52 · 30/08/2023 05:05

The older passenger threatened your partner and raised his elbow as if to hit him????
What the fuck ?
Wasn't this an incident in which the police should have been called to arrest him at the destination airport?
He sounds like an angry bully looking for a fight

Sparklesocks · 30/08/2023 06:12

Caroparo52 · 30/08/2023 05:05

The older passenger threatened your partner and raised his elbow as if to hit him????
What the fuck ?
Wasn't this an incident in which the police should have been called to arrest him at the destination airport?
He sounds like an angry bully looking for a fight

Why do you keep replying to year old threads as if they’re current?

SpunkyGibbon · 30/08/2023 06:25

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Codlingmoths · 30/08/2023 06:28

I’m so sorry you were so threatened, I hope the flight attendants told him off for his behaviour. I completely understand why you felt vulnerable, but just to reassure you the appropriate respond would be if you took a poll I can guarantee most passengers on this plane would rather be sitting in front of us than anywhere they could hear your insane aggressive attacking and swearing at a pregnant woman and her toddler for existing. He’s beautifully behaved, you could make everyone’s journey better by trying to be as well behaved as my two year old.

CoffeeCantata · 30/08/2023 07:49

OP, you did nothing wrong - you just met some vile people.

It's horrible when this happens, and it happens to most of us at some point. I'm really sorry that this spoilt the end of your holiday and I hope your son wasn't distressed by having to hear obnoxious adults, who should know better, being so rude and aggressive.

Try to put it behind you - it could have happened to anyone with people like that - it's nothing personal.

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