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AIBU to be upset about rude plane passenger

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Willowtree88 · 15/12/2022 23:42

My partner and I have just come back from a last minute holiday with our 18 months old son. We flew out to Spain (3.5 hours flight) for a couple a days to get away together as a family after an extremely stressful few months. Due to a combination of my work contract being suddenly not-renewed, planning for a second maternity leave in a few months and some illness in the family we have been forced to sell our much-loved family home and move in with my mother. This is a massive emotional and financial upheaval for us all and we wanted to enjoy a much-needed break as a family. We had a wonderful trip (despite the usual exhaustion of being on holiday with a toddler).

When we got on the bus to the plane, it was almost empty and so I took the opportunity to sit on one of the seats with my toddler in his pram. An older couple got on after us and proceeded to (loudly) call me rude for feeling entitled to sit down. Bear in mind that I was there first, the seat was empty and there were plenty of others, I am heavily pregnant and have painful sciatica (not that this should matter). Either way, I asked the couple if they would like to sit, but they either didn’t hear me or pretended not to. Anyway, I chalked this up to airport frustrations and we board the plane and get settled into our seats. Everything is calm and my son is happily reading his books on my husband’s lap. The couple from the bus get on and (again loudly) grumble that ‘they’re sat right behind us, typical’ as they settle into the row in front of us. They then proceed to have a conversation about whether they should ask to be moved away from the child. I am getting a bit irritated by this point as it seems to be that the only offence we have committed is simply existing with a child in a public place, but I decide to not let it bother me. I also completely appreciate that people may have had difficult experiences with small children on planes or just not want to be seated next to children and are entitled to their opinions.

I had confidence in my son’s ability to manage a short flight with no fuss (because he has done so multiple times in the past) and my partner and I’s ability to support him to manage in the case that he needed it. My son has always been a wonderful traveller and my partner and I are always prepared with all the things he needs to be comfortable and be as entertained as possible whilst on board. We are highly aware of our responsibility to manage his needs and work hard to minimise disruption to other passengers whilst meeting them. We are lucky that my son has never cried or fussed on a flight and didn’t on this one.

As far as I was concerned, my son was being a delightful passenger. He played peek a boo with me, he coloured, he ate his lunch and he read his books. At one point he took an interest in the cup holder on the seat in front and pulled this down. After he did this twice, my partner stopped him doing this by distracting him with a game, not before I saw the man in the seat in front literally wincing and telling his wife ‘see, I’m going to say something.’ In fact, every time my son spoke ( I’m taking saying the word ‘snack,’ ‘peppa’ for his cuddly toy or repeating words in the book) the man would physically wince. His wife would then tell him to ‘leave it, just leave it.’ Well he didn’t leave it. About 30 mins into the flight I got up to go to the toilet and when I got back into my seat my son asked for a cuddle (he’s quite clingy with me at the moment). As I hauled my pregnant body and son back into our cramped window seat I accidentally knocked the seat in front of me with my elbow. The man in front immediately turned around and said to me quite aggressively ‘I’m only going to say this once, keep your fcking child from kicking my seat and shut them up whilst you’re at it.’ I was absolutely shocked and tried to explain that it was me who’d knocked his seat, not my son, that it had been an accident and that I wasn’t aware he’d been making any noise but I’d happily stop him the best I could if he did. The man interrupted and told me that I was an irresponsible parent and shouldn’t have a child on the plane if I can’t ‘control it.’ My partner was really annoyed at this point and defended me by saying that my son hadn’t been kicking his chair and he didn’t feel it was appropriate to talk to me like that. The man got completely irate at this and threatened to ‘fck up’ my partner when he got to the airport. He even raised his elbow as if going to hit him until another passenger stepped in to tell him to calm down.

I was really upset so I asked the flight attendant if we could be moved elsewhere which they thankfully accommodated really quickly. However, for the rest of the flight I could hear the couple loudly complaining about us and our ‘entitlement’ and how this wouldn’t have happened if I had put my child in his own seat (he’s under 2 so legally has to sit on my lap). I have never experienced this attitude from other people before when being out and about with my child and it really shook me up. I’ve been going over and over in my head what I could have done differently to stop things from escalating the way they did but it’s really knocked my
confidence about taking my son on experiences like this, particularly on my own. Maybe it’s just the pregnancy hormones making me feel more vulnerable than usual.

I know this is a heated area and I totally
understand the agony of being on long flights with distressed and bored kids ( I used to fly multiple times a year for business and have witnessed some really awful meltdowns from passengers and kids) but I can’t help but feel we were singled out just simply because we had a child. Some of my childless friends have questioned whether or not I'm just immune to my child’s irritating noises but he was honestly reading books, watching a programme or sleeping for the entire flight. I can understand if I was being irresponsible and thoughtless towards others but I don’t feel that I was and doesn’t my child have a right to talk and interact with his family just as much as anyone else on the flight?

OP posts:
LlynTegid · 16/12/2022 07:00

Contact the airline, express your thanks for the member of the cabin crew and if they have staff rewards ask they be nominated. Ask them to ban the passenger concerned from using their airline again. His words were threatening behaviour towards your partner. Bluntly, a safety issue.

Not sure if the police have jurisdiction, but actually if they do, you would be justified in going to them.

susan12345678 · 16/12/2022 07:01

Sorry that you experienced that, it sounds so upsetting. Try to put it behind you, you did nothing wrong

AccidentallyRunToWindsor · 16/12/2022 07:03

Having seen children behave appalling on planes before (including running up and down the aisle as we came to land, telling the crew to F off etc) I am one of those people who would pay extra for child free on long haul.

However Spain, it's a short flight and the man in front sounds likes a total prick. Even if your kid had been kicking my chair, or listening to peppa pig full volume, my first thing would have been to politely ask you if you could turn the volume down, stop kicking the seat etc, not threaten to knock your OH out!

He sounds like a bully and I feel for his wife. If he has adult kids, I bet they don't see him

KatherineJaneway · 16/12/2022 07:04

Sorry this happened to you OP.

Hard as it is, try not to keep thinking about 'what it is you did'. There are some awful people around. This is why those that have worked in hospitality or retail for example can tell you some humdinger stories of people being incredibly unreasonable and basically massive arseholes.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 16/12/2022 07:09

I'm just cross for you that the airline didn't have him escorted off the plane by police on arrival. He threatened your DH and you.
What a vile person he was and no, OP you did nothing at all wrong.

Mintleafcocktail · 16/12/2022 07:12

ReformedWaywardTeen · 16/12/2022 07:09

I'm just cross for you that the airline didn't have him escorted off the plane by police on arrival. He threatened your DH and you.
What a vile person he was and no, OP you did nothing at all wrong.

Agree 100% He basically threatened to assault your partner. The police should have been told. What a hateful, revolting man.

MrsJordan · 16/12/2022 07:14

That sounds awful! You did nothing wrong, some people just don't like children.

I was in a hotel in England when my son was about 14 months and he was happily talking and babbling away, a lady started having a go at me across the restaurant and asked me to put something in his mouth to shut him up! They then had a few complaints when later on when that something was my boob!

Some people just don't like children and are really bloody rude about it.

CoffeeBoy · 16/12/2022 07:15

It’s them, not you. Occasionally I meet people as miserable and horrible as this and what cheers me up is knowing that I get to walk away and leave them behind. And they will always be having a miserable life.

saleorbouy · 16/12/2022 07:17

He can hardly take the moral high ground when he speaks to you aggressively, threatening your partner and swearing.
He's an angry fool, no other travellers were complaining and your DC seemed to behave well.
Don't dwell on his actions or let it put you off travelling.

OddSockSeeker · 16/12/2022 07:19

You handled a very uncomfortable situation amazingly so you should feel quite the opposite & travel with confidence in the future. He’s lucky you remained so dignified with all those pregnancy hormones circulating. Must be hard being a grown man and still having tantrums like that. There’s so much hostility out there, just keep showing people how to behave. You did a great job. Good luck with the new baby and have a lovely Christmas.x

P.S. They might’ve just had an argument and were transferring their negative energy to you or maybe they could never have kids and underneath all that anger was sadness. Who knows! Humans are funny things.

SunThroughTheCloudsAt6am · 16/12/2022 07:22

I've flown a lot, with and without kids (my kids are well behaved, just as yours sounds like he is - he's allowed to speak for goodness sake!)

The worst behaviour I have seen has always been from adults. The occasional crying baby or excited kid is both understandable, rare, and why a sensible flyer brings headphones :)

Georgeskitchen · 16/12/2022 07:22

Where was your partner and why didn't he lamp him.one?

Moraxella · 16/12/2022 07:25

I had exactly this on a flight: my card marked from the start with threats for someone to “shut that bloodynchild up” (he was talking not crying or screaming). The 60ish year old woman in question then screamed mid flight when a small bit of ice fell from her air con unit - she was totally OTT and made half the plane jump. I think whether my son behaved or not she was going to hate us. It has certainly put me off flying again.

Pineconederby · 16/12/2022 07:25

You should have accidentally spilled a drink on him - whoops.

Roselilly36 · 16/12/2022 07:29

Sorry to had that experience OP. There is something about air travel that seems to wind people up, the stress of the airport, nerves about flying, perhaps been in the bar before hand, who knows, but it’s completely unacceptable to abuse another passenger, in any circumstances.

Cigarettesaftersex1 · 16/12/2022 07:44

Georgeskitchen · 16/12/2022 07:22

Where was your partner and why didn't he lamp him.one?

Really?

CinnamonJellyBeans · 16/12/2022 07:45

You sound like a nice, intelligent woman. You had the misfortune to sit between two sets of very nasty people. You need to learn to trust your own judgement on this type of experience and not take this nasty behaviour away with you and let it taint your holiday memory.

I would have handled it very aggressively and probably got kicked off the plane, so at least you didn't do that! You had the sense to get moved. But please don't let these people bother you.

Aldith · 16/12/2022 07:45

Your child would have been a blessing compared to the toddler DH and I were across the aisle from a few weeks ago. The toddler had a temper tantrum for the whole flight to Tenerife and then the whole flight back a week later.

You did nothing wrong and that man was twat. He sounds like the kind of person that is never happy unless he has something to complain about.

rookiemere · 16/12/2022 07:53

Some people are just idiots.

I remember when DS was still in a buggy, I was queueing to check in the bags whilst DH returned the car. DS needed a nappy change and some food so I was keen to get rid of the bags as quickly as possible.
A couple in their 60s tried to skip the queue, I genuinely thought they were mistaken so politely pointed out that there was a queue, their rude answer "We'll all get there at the same time"

Well have to say it was delicious karma when boarding the plane as the couple were hovering at the gate. The announcement came for families with young children to board first and I did enjoy walking past them ostentatiously.

olympicsrock · 16/12/2022 07:53

He was a woman and child hating arsehole. You did nothing wrong.
Yes happy toddler noise is annoying but is so much better than a child crying.

Don’t give it more headspace.

Mintleafcocktail · 16/12/2022 07:55

Georgeskitchen · 16/12/2022 07:22

Where was your partner and why didn't he lamp him.one?

Dont be so stupid. He could then press charges which might affect her husbands job or have serious repercussions. Plus, there would have been plenty of witnesses. If you want to take revenge you do it subtly, not so it puts you in a an even weaker position.

Frazzled2207 · 16/12/2022 08:11

The man was vile.
you did nothing wrong
please don’t dwell on it, it doesn’t matter what we do there are still idiots around sadly

lieselotte · 16/12/2022 08:12

A lot of kids misbehave on flights and their parents do nothing, so I can understand why you might sigh (in anticipation of bad behaviour) when you realise you are close to them. But that is a long way off the behaviour you experienced, both on the bus and the plane.

It sounds like he was an abusive arse. Forget it and move on.

To be honest if you want to avoid kids you have to pay for business. They might still be there, but it's a much smaller cabin so much less likely. And you have more space and the cabin crew will do more to make sure they don't annoy you.

DozyFox · 16/12/2022 08:14

He's a hateful idiot, don't pay it any mind.

Some people hate women, and as a result hate children too. It's a plane. Children are allowed on planes. An 18 month old crying/making loud noise is developmentally appropriate behaviour - and yours didn't even do that! Why do parents (and this more often than not falls to the woman) have to feel guilty for existing in public with a child displaying developmentally appropriate behaviour?

You were on a plane. That is an appropriate place for a child to be. Other passengers will have to deal with that, however annoying it may be.

This reminds me of a fairly recent experience meeting a friend at costa coffee with my then 10 month old. He was sat in a high chair having a grand old time. Didn't cry once, but he was happily babbling and laughing every now and then - but certainly not louder than an adult conversation or laughter would be. The Very Important Man doing Very Important Work on his Very Important Laptop tutted and sighed loudly every time my baby dared make a noise, and spent a lot of time glaring at us. It's a bloody costa coffee, not the savoy. Children are allowed there, and they most probably will behave like children. Deal with it or go elsewhere 🤷‍♀️

ZenNudist · 16/12/2022 08:17

Ponderingwindow · 16/12/2022 00:09

“he’s under 2 so legally has to sit on my lap”

just had to correct this since someone else might read and act on it.

while under 2 are allowed to sit on laps, it is neither legally required anywhere I am familiar with, nor recommended from a safety perspective.

This struck me too.

He's just an aggressive arse. Forget it.

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