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AIBU to be upset about rude plane passenger

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Willowtree88 · 15/12/2022 23:42

My partner and I have just come back from a last minute holiday with our 18 months old son. We flew out to Spain (3.5 hours flight) for a couple a days to get away together as a family after an extremely stressful few months. Due to a combination of my work contract being suddenly not-renewed, planning for a second maternity leave in a few months and some illness in the family we have been forced to sell our much-loved family home and move in with my mother. This is a massive emotional and financial upheaval for us all and we wanted to enjoy a much-needed break as a family. We had a wonderful trip (despite the usual exhaustion of being on holiday with a toddler).

When we got on the bus to the plane, it was almost empty and so I took the opportunity to sit on one of the seats with my toddler in his pram. An older couple got on after us and proceeded to (loudly) call me rude for feeling entitled to sit down. Bear in mind that I was there first, the seat was empty and there were plenty of others, I am heavily pregnant and have painful sciatica (not that this should matter). Either way, I asked the couple if they would like to sit, but they either didn’t hear me or pretended not to. Anyway, I chalked this up to airport frustrations and we board the plane and get settled into our seats. Everything is calm and my son is happily reading his books on my husband’s lap. The couple from the bus get on and (again loudly) grumble that ‘they’re sat right behind us, typical’ as they settle into the row in front of us. They then proceed to have a conversation about whether they should ask to be moved away from the child. I am getting a bit irritated by this point as it seems to be that the only offence we have committed is simply existing with a child in a public place, but I decide to not let it bother me. I also completely appreciate that people may have had difficult experiences with small children on planes or just not want to be seated next to children and are entitled to their opinions.

I had confidence in my son’s ability to manage a short flight with no fuss (because he has done so multiple times in the past) and my partner and I’s ability to support him to manage in the case that he needed it. My son has always been a wonderful traveller and my partner and I are always prepared with all the things he needs to be comfortable and be as entertained as possible whilst on board. We are highly aware of our responsibility to manage his needs and work hard to minimise disruption to other passengers whilst meeting them. We are lucky that my son has never cried or fussed on a flight and didn’t on this one.

As far as I was concerned, my son was being a delightful passenger. He played peek a boo with me, he coloured, he ate his lunch and he read his books. At one point he took an interest in the cup holder on the seat in front and pulled this down. After he did this twice, my partner stopped him doing this by distracting him with a game, not before I saw the man in the seat in front literally wincing and telling his wife ‘see, I’m going to say something.’ In fact, every time my son spoke ( I’m taking saying the word ‘snack,’ ‘peppa’ for his cuddly toy or repeating words in the book) the man would physically wince. His wife would then tell him to ‘leave it, just leave it.’ Well he didn’t leave it. About 30 mins into the flight I got up to go to the toilet and when I got back into my seat my son asked for a cuddle (he’s quite clingy with me at the moment). As I hauled my pregnant body and son back into our cramped window seat I accidentally knocked the seat in front of me with my elbow. The man in front immediately turned around and said to me quite aggressively ‘I’m only going to say this once, keep your fcking child from kicking my seat and shut them up whilst you’re at it.’ I was absolutely shocked and tried to explain that it was me who’d knocked his seat, not my son, that it had been an accident and that I wasn’t aware he’d been making any noise but I’d happily stop him the best I could if he did. The man interrupted and told me that I was an irresponsible parent and shouldn’t have a child on the plane if I can’t ‘control it.’ My partner was really annoyed at this point and defended me by saying that my son hadn’t been kicking his chair and he didn’t feel it was appropriate to talk to me like that. The man got completely irate at this and threatened to ‘fck up’ my partner when he got to the airport. He even raised his elbow as if going to hit him until another passenger stepped in to tell him to calm down.

I was really upset so I asked the flight attendant if we could be moved elsewhere which they thankfully accommodated really quickly. However, for the rest of the flight I could hear the couple loudly complaining about us and our ‘entitlement’ and how this wouldn’t have happened if I had put my child in his own seat (he’s under 2 so legally has to sit on my lap). I have never experienced this attitude from other people before when being out and about with my child and it really shook me up. I’ve been going over and over in my head what I could have done differently to stop things from escalating the way they did but it’s really knocked my
confidence about taking my son on experiences like this, particularly on my own. Maybe it’s just the pregnancy hormones making me feel more vulnerable than usual.

I know this is a heated area and I totally
understand the agony of being on long flights with distressed and bored kids ( I used to fly multiple times a year for business and have witnessed some really awful meltdowns from passengers and kids) but I can’t help but feel we were singled out just simply because we had a child. Some of my childless friends have questioned whether or not I'm just immune to my child’s irritating noises but he was honestly reading books, watching a programme or sleeping for the entire flight. I can understand if I was being irresponsible and thoughtless towards others but I don’t feel that I was and doesn’t my child have a right to talk and interact with his family just as much as anyone else on the flight?

OP posts:
Heyheyitsanotherday · 16/12/2022 08:18

You and your family did nothing wrong. You just unfortunately were sat near some vile,entitled rude, miserable people. Ignore them. Hope you’re ok xx

wonderstuff · 16/12/2022 08:20

I’ve had far more issues on flights with annoying men than annoying children! Honestly the guy was a prick, it wasn’t you it was him.

Blowyourowntrumpet · 16/12/2022 08:21

I'm sure that their version of events would not tally with yours. In your eyes, your son was probably being delightful, in theirs he was a nuisance. The truth is probably somewhere between the two

Moveoverdarlin · 16/12/2022 08:23

They sound like utterly vile people. You did nothing wrong.

vitahelp · 16/12/2022 08:24

How awful, I'm so sorry you went through this. I would also be very upset by this. The man is clearly very unhappy with his life and has a miserable existence. Try not to give it any more thought. It sounds like you handled it very well, I'm not sure myself & my DH would have been as calm and it probably would have ended in tears, so well done to you both keeping the situation under control.

SchoolQuestionnaire · 16/12/2022 08:28

The man was fucking horrible. Clearly he’s a violent and aggressive bully who enjoys picking on pregnant women with small children. Your dc did nothing wrong, and behaved exactly as most dc do and most people are happy to make allowances. I actually quite enjoy seeing small children on flights, it reminds me of when mine were small.

Honestly just try and forget about it and move on. Most people are not like this and just imagine how horrible it must be to be this man carrying around all of that pent up anger and annoyance. Imagine being married to him too. I can promise that whatever you’ve got going on you are far happier than this nasty pair.Flowers

Peoniesandcream · 16/12/2022 08:32

You sound like a nice, Normal family with a well behaved toddler. They sound like the weird types who just dislike children. You were very self controlled so well done, just shows them up for the batshit people they are.

SilverTotoro · 16/12/2022 08:34

YANBU - to sum up you had a well behaved child on a flight. Passenger near you decided to stand up and threaten a pregnant woman using abusive language. There’s no question anyone but the other passenger was in the wrong here, please try not to give it another thought.

CheeseIsMyPatronus · 16/12/2022 08:36

YABU to expend any energy thinking about this revolting man.

He’s clearly a nasty piece of work. Shake it off and don’t give him any headspace. He doesn’t deserve it

Mintleafcocktail · 16/12/2022 08:36

Blowyourowntrumpet · 16/12/2022 08:21

I'm sure that their version of events would not tally with yours. In your eyes, your son was probably being delightful, in theirs he was a nuisance. The truth is probably somewhere between the two

Then he should have politely and kindly had a word, or asked to move seats, not threatened to "fck up" her partner when they landed. Threats to assault are a ridiculous overreaction to a minor annoyance and say everything about the kind of aggressive bully that revolting man was.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 16/12/2022 08:40

The thing is even if your son was being loud and annoying (which it doesn't sound like at all) there is absolutely no excuse for being aggressive to anyone (let alone a pregnant woman) and threatening to 'fuck up' someone I'm pretty sure is a criminal act. So I would just file it under 'extreme arseholes' and be grateful that your son is probably too small to remember

Hardpillow · 16/12/2022 08:40

Ponderingwindow · 16/12/2022 00:09

“he’s under 2 so legally has to sit on my lap”

just had to correct this since someone else might read and act on it.

while under 2 are allowed to sit on laps, it is neither legally required anywhere I am familiar with, nor recommended from a safety perspective.

Infants (under 2 yesrs) have to sit on a parents lap while the seat belt sign is on (take off, landing snd turbulence). During cruise they can have their own seat or if a baby a bassinet. They can also be placed in a car seat if the car seat conforms to the required standards and Is placed in a window seat more than 2 rows forward or back from a door/ abp row.

Always check with your airline as rules can vary with different aviation authorities around the world/ specific aircraft type and some airlines will have their own standards.

beachcitygirl · 16/12/2022 08:41

Yanbu

I'm cabin crew and it's not a legal requirement for them to sit on your lap during the cruise. (It is for take off & landing with seatbelt on)

It's fine if they are on their own seat in suitable car seat. That said:
Why the hell should you pay for another seat or put up with this crap because of an idiot of angry man.

I see his type regularly. Too regularly. If it hadn't been your baby, it would have been his meal, or an adult near him or the stewardess attitude or the turbulence.

He's an entitled twat & I'm so sorry you were subjected to this. Try (as hard as it will
Be) to put him out your head.

PumpkinsMum18 · 16/12/2022 08:44

Some people are just horrible. And when they go on holiday, they think they are the most important people in the world and usual manners suddenly don’t apply to them. They have paid to go away, so obviously their enjoyment is the upmost priority over anything else 🙄
Also they probably thought that going in term time would guarantee a completely child free flight. Obviously very unreasonable!

user1494050295 · 16/12/2022 08:47

Please report to the airline. I know they will only hear your side of events but they might put a flag on his record for future flights. They will probably ask the crew too

donttalkaboutbookclub · 16/12/2022 08:49

Some people are very angry as their sort of default setting and are therefore looking for a fight all the time, I think. When you run into one of these in a confined space it can be nasty and plane travel ramps up some people's anxiety into barely controlled anger immensely in my experience. I'm so sorry you had such a horrible experience with this man, but be assured it was in no way your fault.

roundthehorn · 16/12/2022 08:58

25 odd years ago, I was flying home to HK in economy BA with my toddler and 4 yr old from London. As per airline regulations I had the toddler on my lap for take off, and he was a wriggler, knocking the seat in front in front of me on occasion, but as soon as we were airborne he went into his allocated seat and settled down to a story and some colouring etc. 2 hours into the flight the (very short) man in front of me stood up and began berating me for his behaviour, telling me that if I couldn't control my children I shouldn't be allowed to fly with them. One of the cabin crew approached him and had a quiet word, I don't know what was said, and 5 minutes later the same stewardess asked me if I would like to move forward into the business class cabin, she couldn't offer my son his own seat but as he was under two he could share my seat. His face as the three of us were upgraded was a sight I'll never forget!

dramalamma · 16/12/2022 09:01

Ponderingwindow · 16/12/2022 00:09

“he’s under 2 so legally has to sit on my lap”

just had to correct this since someone else might read and act on it.

while under 2 are allowed to sit on laps, it is neither legally required anywhere I am familiar with, nor recommended from a safety perspective.

On a plane, a child under two isn't allowed to sit on their own seat unless they have an approved car seat at any time when the fasten seatbelt signs are on. So while not exactly "legally" the child would have had to sit on their parents lap for a part of the flight anyhow.

GnomeDePlume · 16/12/2022 09:01

Look on the bright side, you aren't related or married to them and you don't have to live in his head. I imagine that any of those things would be a profoundly unhappy experience.

He is the type who sucks joy out of every situation. If you point out a beautiful view he complains about litter/wasp/sun. If you say a meal out was nice he will complain about the table/service/chair.

Nothing will ever be right for him. He will eventually find fault with his own coffin!

notimagain · 16/12/2022 09:02

user1494050295 · 16/12/2022 08:47

Please report to the airline. I know they will only hear your side of events but they might put a flag on his record for future flights. They will probably ask the crew too

Might be worth doing but I suspect at most airlines it wouldn't result in much happening unless the crew had lodged a report at the time.

Soontobe60 · 16/12/2022 09:03

They were being twattish. If they threatened you, the flight crew should have responded and I would have expected security to have spoken to them on landing.
however, your post is full of completely irrelevant detail! Keep it short and to the point!!!

Mariposista · 16/12/2022 09:06

Some parents of young children are absolute pains in the arse on flights or trains and their unruly children spoil it for everyone. They obviously saw you with a kid and assumed you would be the same. Yet you weren’t, it sounds like you did everything right, so this is just their prejudice and not you fault. Don’t give it any more thought.

Goldbar · 16/12/2022 09:06

This man swore at you and threatened your partner.

This is not someone who is likely to have a reasonable opinion on your child's behaviour. Treat them as you would an enraged animal. Stay out of their way as much as possible and, if that doesn't work, ask to be moved away from them and make it clear that you will be reporting them to the police for threatening behaviour and harassment.

5128gap · 16/12/2022 09:12

You must know you've done nothing wrong. You have after all closed literally every potential loop hole for someone to say YABU and described behaviour from these people that no one could possibly attempt to justify.
Some parents cause a nuisance bringing their children on flights. You're not one of them.
Some older people are apparantly ridiculously intolerant and unpleasant towards children. Got it.

MadameMackenzie · 16/12/2022 09:21

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