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To think the anyone but England mentality is cringe?

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SolitaryMind · 10/12/2022 21:22

I’m Scottish, I was brought up to be anti English, SNP mad household, despite having English grandparents. I’ve always thought it made no sense, England is part of the UK like we are. I now have an English dp who is step- parent to my child, I support England in football as does my dc, every match my social media is filled with support for any country playing against England, I don’t get it! Can someone explain the logic to me, I can’t be the only one surely!

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Stevie6 · 11/12/2022 00:16

Travis1 · 10/12/2022 21:44

Because they still can’t shut up
about 1966 and the media ram it down our throats at every opportunity.

it’s like in other sports if a Scottish person does well they’re British but as soon as they fuck up they’re Scottish. It’s wearing

Andy Murray is a great example of this!

Bayleaf25 · 11/12/2022 00:16

I’m English but if they aren’t playing I absolutely support Wales, Scotland etc. Why wouldn’t I? It would be great to see them win! After that I love seeing nations such as Croatia do well against other footballing greats.

Florenz · 11/12/2022 00:17

DarkShade · 11/12/2022 00:13

because there isn't the demand to justify the additional expense.

this is precisely the problem - imagine an entire country full of people who pay TV licences and taxes being told that since there are so many more people in the county next door, there really isn't any need for you to have your own media, just have theirs instead. Cheaper that way.

What would Scotland TV look like if it had to be produced from just Scottish TV licence fees and Scottish advertising revenue?

Ballsaque · 11/12/2022 00:18

A friend of mine is northern Irish (calls herself Irish).

she lives in Bristol and slags off the English any chance she gets,even though her 2 children are born in England?

I would definiely support other countries if they had got through. My DP says everyone hates us 🤷‍♀️. I know not everyone does as I can see from this thread.

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 00:20

ExcuseeeeMe · 10/12/2022 23:50

Yet thousands ofEnglish fans were chanting about Scotland during this World Cup so maybe you should look close to home . Or do they just hate Scotland ?

Imaging being so precious and out of touch with football chants that you think it means they 'hate scotland'.

Are you X in disguise is a widley used chant across the world, Scotland are shit at football and a neighbour, Wales managed to make the tournament. You obviously haven't heard some of the chants of Belgium/France/Netherlands even the swiss have some chants that would mean they 'hate' the opposing country by your definition.

Don't look up the Spanish/Belgian v Morroco or the Argentina v Brazil games if you are offended by your X in disguise. The fact every european country will be ecstatic with a group draw with Scotland is really just an oppression of Scotland...

Willyoujustbequiet · 11/12/2022 00:24

ExcuseeeeMe · 10/12/2022 23:50

Yet thousands ofEnglish fans were chanting about Scotland during this World Cup so maybe you should look close to home . Or do they just hate Scotland ?

Naw. As someone who is literally half n half and lives on the border.....more Scots are out and out racist to the English ( and indeed in general to other races) then the.English ever are the other way around.

SnowlayRoundabout · 11/12/2022 00:24

BashfulClam · 10/12/2022 21:30

Throughout the World Cup the England campaign has been rammed down our throats. I’d like to know about some other teams.

And if only Scotland had got through, they would have been rammed down our throats. The difference is that England would, in the main, have supported them.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 11/12/2022 00:25

Florenz · 11/12/2022 00:01

ITV devote so much time to England because that's what the majority of viewers want to see. If they thought more viewers wanted more analysis of Netherlands vs Argentina, that's what they'd do. 84% of the people in the UK are English and support England. There's nothing stopping the BBC and ITV from providing separate opt-out coverage for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with their own commentators and pundits etc, but they don't, because there isn't the demand to justify the additional expense.

Which is why we shouldn't be in union tbh. England should be separate and they can do English things, Scotland; Scottish things, Wales; Welsh things and Northern Ireland; Northern Irish things.

The absolute arrogance of the English thinking "well we're the biggest so shut up and do what we want" is exactly why nobody in the world likes you.

ExcuseeeeMe · 11/12/2022 00:27

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 00:20

Imaging being so precious and out of touch with football chants that you think it means they 'hate scotland'.

Are you X in disguise is a widley used chant across the world, Scotland are shit at football and a neighbour, Wales managed to make the tournament. You obviously haven't heard some of the chants of Belgium/France/Netherlands even the swiss have some chants that would mean they 'hate' the opposing country by your definition.

Don't look up the Spanish/Belgian v Morroco or the Argentina v Brazil games if you are offended by your X in disguise. The fact every european country will be ecstatic with a group draw with Scotland is really just an oppression of Scotland...

Yes this is we know we are shit you think your going to win every tournament which is why so many gloat . I just find it comical that Scotland live rent free in England fans heads . Maybe still seething that they couldn’t beat us on account of us being so shit and them the best team in the world . Anyway I hope things are ok for everyone in England tonight . I know how violent it can get when England lose matches . Stay safe .

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 11/12/2022 00:29

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 00:20

Imaging being so precious and out of touch with football chants that you think it means they 'hate scotland'.

Are you X in disguise is a widley used chant across the world, Scotland are shit at football and a neighbour, Wales managed to make the tournament. You obviously haven't heard some of the chants of Belgium/France/Netherlands even the swiss have some chants that would mean they 'hate' the opposing country by your definition.

Don't look up the Spanish/Belgian v Morroco or the Argentina v Brazil games if you are offended by your X in disguise. The fact every european country will be ecstatic with a group draw with Scotland is really just an oppression of Scotland...

Imagine being so precious and out of touch with football that you don't understand why the entire world roots against England.

The fact that every country in the world loves it when England get beat is really just an impression of how much you lot are disliked.

Thanks4allthefish · 11/12/2022 00:31

Mañanarama · 10/12/2022 21:41

Why don’t we have a UK team? That would make more sense and prevent the England / Scotland / Wales divide.

If we had a UK team we would give up 3 seats on the FIFA board - currently England, Scotland, Ireland and WAles

For one or maybe two - England and Ireland

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 00:32

Florenz · 11/12/2022 00:17

What would Scotland TV look like if it had to be produced from just Scottish TV licence fees and Scottish advertising revenue?

Much like there devloved NHS, Education and living under SNP, great at generating headlines of how great they are but both failing dismally and government just as corrupt as the tories, but will still blame the english (tories) and ignore the barnett formula because of 'oil'

The prevailing underdog narrative matches very closley to brexit, just replace EU with tories, just don't look at the diversity statistics when it comes to scotland calling england more racist..

Honper · 11/12/2022 00:33

A friend of mine is northern Irish (calls herself Irish).

Jesus man, I'm almost embarrassed for you. Read a book about it all or something. After all the effort (and gunpowder) the English put into that entire area, ongoing, the least they can do is educate themselves.

Willyoujustbequiet · 11/12/2022 00:34

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 11/12/2022 00:29

Imagine being so precious and out of touch with football that you don't understand why the entire world roots against England.

The fact that every country in the world loves it when England get beat is really just an impression of how much you lot are disliked.

And here ladies and gentleman is the chip well n truly on the shoulder...

On behalf of Scots I apologise for the ignorance.

Tuilpmouse · 11/12/2022 00:35

Helpyou · 10/12/2022 21:41

I can't see England supporting Wales if Wales had got further in the world Cup do you? (Note, I'm not a football fan at all) but it works both ways.

I'm English, and I'd absolutely have supported Wales had they progressed and England hadn't.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 11/12/2022 00:36

Loving all this 'support your near neighbours' chat. Will be great to see the whole of England throwing their support behind France now.

Honper · 11/12/2022 00:37

Oui.

Allez Les bleus!

ExcuseeeeMe · 11/12/2022 00:39

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 11/12/2022 00:36

Loving all this 'support your near neighbours' chat. Will be great to see the whole of England throwing their support behind France now.

Of course all of England be behind France now as they are neighbours . After all why wouldn’t a country support their closest neighbours in a tournament?

Bayleaf25 · 11/12/2022 00:42

Willyoujustbequiet · 11/12/2022 00:34

And here ladies and gentleman is the chip well n truly on the shoulder...

On behalf of Scots I apologise for the ignorance.

Thank you @Willyoujustbequiet well said, it’s really sad to see some of the close to home hatred here (and all over a game of football). Equally some English people also think warmly of our local neighbours.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 11/12/2022 00:44

I know how violent it can get when England lose matches

Whereas Scotland is a panacea of tolerance, love and non-violence? Domestic violence increases when alcohol is consumed. Be that England matches or Old Firm games. Using it as some sort of gotcha against England is really offensive as well as ignorant.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 11/12/2022 00:53

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Oh this must be the Scottish peace and tolerance other posters are alluding to 😅😅

Oceanswimming · 11/12/2022 01:00

Or it might be someone pretending to be Scottish because they want people to hate Scotland. We have no idea who anyone is. And no individual reflects their entire country.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 11/12/2022 01:05

DisneyPrincesss · 11/12/2022 00:57

Oh this must be the Scottish peace and tolerance other posters are alluding to 😅😅

Who's alluding to peace and tolerance? When it comes to football no self-respecting Scottish football fan roots for England. It's as simple as that.

The only Scottish people who want England to win are those who don't care about football usually or an element of rangers fans.

Honestly it's bizarre that anyone would pretend otherwise. You don't support your nearest rival under any circumstances, ever.

flflflf · 11/12/2022 01:13

Get over it scotland. watch scottish commentary if it bothers you so much. I'd support scotland in an equivalent match with scotland in it.