to think Elon Musk is shining direct sunlight on a very grubby state of affairs?

[LondonWolf]

Just staggered at what's coming out tbh. When he first bought Twitter there were several lengthy threads on here lamenting that Twitter would soon move to the Right and be full of hate. Now it appears that no one was bothering to work on child protection, child sexual abuse and exploitation routinely unaddressed, and Twitter employees were working directly with the FBI and government to censor stories some which arguably had direct impacts on how people would vote. Are there any threads on here discussing what's coming out like there were screening about how horrific it was all going to be, because I can't see any?

That wasn't a business expert. There is a world of difference between cutting out deal wood and randomly firing almost everyone. And you'd think that, with his money, someone (an actual business expert) might have told him that the way in which you go about it affects both those leaving and those remaining. Morale goes down medium term when people are treated badly, and that affects productivity.

Musk is a bit of a twit.

Sounds like a troubling concept. It seems like a one-click way of associating opinions you don't share with violence, as a prelude to cancelling or silencing those opinions. Or am I missing something?

It's all quite selectively cherry picked to reflect this person's own opinions on what sort of view should be censored, too.

There's a difference between expressing an opinion and repeatedly pushing a false narrative that results in people feeling the need to resort to violence

Like the false narratives being pushed by trans activists about feminist women fighting for sex based rights, for instance?

Please do feel free share what opinions have been cherrypicked @Ereshkigalangcleg and consider whether they have been “cherrypicked” for some nefarious reason, or picked because I have close experience of those issues for to my field of work?

Also LOL (yes in capitals) if anyone’s suggesting that censoring Neo Nazis is a bad thing.

For what it's worth, this issue goes beyond individual owners for me. Platforms like Twitter need external and legal oversight from outside bodies

Completely agree.

Oh never mind @Ereshkigalangcleg I just looked back at the examples I gave and realised I used the example of abuse against trans people by the far right, which of course instantly labels me as a TRA therefore scum, ignoring all the instances in this thread where I’ve spoken up against the abuse of women. Is this really where the GC movement is right now??

Notwithstanding that, if you’re not part of the far right, I’m not talking about you. And if you are, I won’t be talking to you.

"Platforms like Twitter need external and legal oversight from outside bodies"

Like the Chinese government oversees Weibo? The problem I have with this idea is that we only need to go back as far as what happened post 9/11 and see that all the laws introduced for good reason, immediately got abused by the people who had the authority to wield the new powers. Give a local council the legal ability to surveil locals within their ward, ostensibly to monitor for terrorist activity, and before you know it they are spying on people suspected of sending their kids to schools in the wrong ward, or people letting their dogs shit on the pavements.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/british-councils-used-investigatory-powers-ripa-to-secretly-spy-on-public

The idea any government appointed agency would act in an impartial way if given the power to regulate and oversee social media is naivety on an industrial scale.

Amazing how happy you are to declare that you disagree with him on this issue but no problem at all with his relentless hounding and persecution of a tiny minority ethnic group. And then still sit smugly lecturing other people about ... anything at all, really.

How on earth do you imagine you are in a position to speak for one moment about naivety or abuse of power? You are championing the only openly, single minded antisemite who's ever led a major uk political party in my lifetime - a racist so unrepentant that he's had the whip permanently removed - and even now that's all in the open, and even with one of the people who suffered as a direct result of his racism addressing you directly- you boast proudly that you'd "vote for him again tomorrow" with not even a twinge of conscience? Fuck me

BloodAndFire

I appreciate you disagree strongly with me but you've now made how many posts? directly attacking me for nothing more than I have a different view than you do on a politician. Let's accept we have different views and leave it at that?

Peace.

I am from SF Bay area and working in software industry. I'm originally from a Middle Eastern country and in USA for 20+ years. For the last two years, main stream media and social media platforms are acting like they are the Democratic party mouthpieces. Maybe they were always so but al least we could get some dependable news, not anymore. Software and high tech companies should do the required virtue signaling not to be cancelled. Any opposing voice is shutdown. As regular citizens, we can't even state that the crime is on the rise or we can't criticize a gov't policy without being called names. I have been voting for Democrats for as long as I am able to vote and I did vote for Biden in last elections which I deeply regret now. Honestly, it feels very suffocating especially for the last two years. Elon Musk's twitter overtake feels like a little bit of equilibrium to me, feels like a bit of fresh air.

I read half of the replies, the first few pages then last few. I read about Yoel Roth who used to be Twitter's Trust & Safety Director. This person explicitly writes things like high school students can have sex with their teachers if they have consent. He argues in his Phd thesis that underage teenagers should be able to find mates using Grindr. He excitedly writes about porn in his tweets. How in earth this person can be the Director of Trust & Safety? Where do we draw the line in the name of inclusion? The pre-Musk state of Twitter which is a direct reflection of imposed social norms concerns me very much as a mother of a teenager. I stated that I'm from a Middle Eastern country but I am nor religious nor conservative. However, more and more I find myself aligned with conservatives on these matters because they are the only ones voicing any concern other than feminists (infamously called as terfs) and some centrist liberals (like famously known Bill Maher).

This is where letting them "talk shite" leads.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tommy-robinson-hounded-me-out-of-my-home-and-country_uk_5dfd0e41e4b0b2520d0aae59

As for yer boi Jeremy, where to even start with that.

This!

"This is where letting them "talk shite" leads."

Nonsense, you have no evidence that Tommy was emboldened to act because he had been allowed to talk on Twitter, that's up there with those who said the recent shooting of an LGBT club in the states was because JK Rowling was giving her opinions on Twitter.

The world is full of people who take every terrible thing that happens as some sort of incontrovertible proof whatever opinion they hold is right. It's tiresome.

It's not a false equivalence. It's an actual equivalence.

There is, quite literally, a completely different version of the Pelosi in incident being reported in some detail, I am sure you can google.

What this has to do with rape denial I really have no idea, other than I have to unquestioningly believe everything I'm told or I'll branded a rape apologist?

@Dotellhimpike I also voted for Labour in Decemberr 2019, what with them being one of the two major UK politicial parties.
Moreoever, I admired his stance on Palestine.

Trump was all over Twitter busy inciting violence so I’m not sure how you can make sure ridiculous claims.

Twitter is what you make it and there are plenty of cesspits. Plenty of voices from all sides and all extremes. Elon Musk is not the person to moderate it as he’s hardly a neutral sensible voice judging by his previous actions.

"Elon Musk is not the person to moderate it as he’s hardly a neutral sensible voice"

While I don't disagree with this statement I also think too many people assume the political tribe they belong to is the one with the neutral sensible voices. At the end of the day, Musk own the place, his gaff, his rules. Don't like it, don't use it. There's no argument for outside oversight of Twitter in the "national interest" that doesn't also apply to the rest of the media, from Facebook to the Financial Times.

What about CSE? Genuinely confused about where that comes into it. Can you clarify?

That was literally just over three years ago. The establishment succeeded in destroying Corbyn or any form of real socialist voice as a political force in the UK, probably for good in my view. It was a hard blow to take but hey ho, I am more sanguine about it these days, I just accept that in the words of Jarvis Cocker, "Cunts are running the world"

What I do find bizarre is how even after defeating the Corbyn project so comprehensively, some people still act like he is any sort of force for change. The battle is over, Corbyn and the good guys lost, enjoy your victory ffs.

What I do find bizarre is how even after defeating the Corbyn project so comprehensively, some people still act like he is any sort of force for change. The battle is over, Corbyn and the good guys lost, enjoy your victory ffs

Yep when I see "but Corbyn" my eyes roll so hard I fear they might be stuck.
Tbh the last three years with the pandemic etc has, I wouldn't even say changed my politics so much as my greater worldview. I'm definitely politically homeless, and a disaffected, alienated former lefty.
Actually it probably started for me pre-pandemic with the gender stuff but I think I saw it more in isolation before.

Right I just Googled the CSE stuff. It appears that both Dorsey and Musk are being accused of not doing enough with the reports on the utter non-story being framed down the political line of the publication reporting.

OP you appear quite niave.

Dorsey may not have done enough and Musk may be prioritising it. Dorsey may have being doing a lot and Musk has just gutted the department. We have no evidence that either narrative is correct and the most likely explanation is that both have done exactly what is most profitable with no regard for actual child safety. You are literally spreading propaganda.

My tuppence is that Twitter was and remains terrible. Perhaps a different type of terrible since Musk took over but highly unlikely to be meaningfully better or worse.

Why would I accept 'peace' from someone who's openly telling someone (me) from a minority group who have been at the sharp end of mass murder, expulsions, and demonisation for centuries, that they would be glad to vote again for someone who supported and revived all of that, is unrepentant about it, and you are calling him 'a good guy'?

You really think I'm going to be happy and peaceful with someone openly supporting the appalling racism stoked against Jews, which I, my family and my community were fucking terrorised by,, andwhich showed us that for a lot of people (like you), the torment and terror of Jews is something you actively celebrate?

And then you have the nerve to smugly criticise me for posting too much, and finish with that spectacularly condescending 'peace'?

Peace with someone who'd relish seeing my family exterminated. No

And to characterise your celebration of the openly antisemitic 'corbyn projecf', vs my actual experiences at the sharp end of it, as 'disagreeing about a politician'?

Wow. The fucking dishonesty.

Do you think my opinion on Hitler vs a Nazi's is also 'a disagreement about a politician ?

'Peace'? F off

I think comparing Jeremy Corbyn to Hitler doesn't help your credibility.