To think MN has a race problem and it’s getting worse

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Posters say incredibly offensive, often outright racist things and MN lets them stand as it’s a ‘difference of opinion’ and that’s fine. Other posters complain about this and MN deletes said complaints as they are ‘personal attacks’ and that isn’t fine.

Then we have mods wandering in and going ‘let’s have peace and love’, as though ‘both sides’ need to calm down. No, we need to stop placating racists.

I’m not going to give examples as this will get taken down as a TAAT, but I cannot be the only person to be fed up with all this. MN needs to do something about the racism, race baiting and general cultural ignorance. Unless the site is ONLY meant to cater to white people and, even then, I firmly believe that most posters of any race don’t want to see all that ugliness.

It’s getting to the stage where, as a Black person, I’m steeling myself before I log on. And knowing that half the time I report a comment, I won’t even get a token acknowledgement. This isn’t right. It wasn’t always like this.

Also, I'd love to know how this thread in itself is racist?

Please do explain how people disagreeing with this are racist?

That's not why the board was created. It was created so there was a space to discuss things without having to explain a bunch of stuff first. Like many other topics.

But it's not racist not to like her!

@SkylightSkylight there's a BIG difference between saying I don't like MM because she cones across as sly and she isn't a genuine person. That is your opinion.

However you are lacking a lot of insight if you don't know that this has been going on TOO LONG now and people really go over board to the point where in like WOW its vile. Did she F your husband? It's too much. It's slandering.

Be blind if you want to.

It's interesting that some posters seem to treat MN like Twitter and send multiple reports about posts/posters they don't like.That's not how modding works on MN. No wonder the mods are struggling if they're having to wade through lots of duplicate reports.

Great post.

@Squeezita I'm sorry they did that to your poor mum!

but why are you claiming it's racist?

the nasty bitches are just as likely to have done the same to a white woman.

Out of interest, could we have an actual example of a racist post on mn please?

Do what America did. Take it on,

The US fought a civil war over the issue more than a century and a half ago. Is that what people want here too?

People want to conflate the USA with us and yes, I think they do.
Anyway, I still would like to see a racist post. It should be easy enough, given how racist we apparently are on here.

Does anyone think that the USA has actually dealt with its problems with race? I really don't think it has from seeing the things that go on there.

@Sausagenbacon assuming you are new on MN and genuine. Have a look at the thread about dear old lady Susan.

It would be interesting to hear from a black person who has lived in both countries to find out their experience and opinion.

USA is none of our business to be fair. Its a big place and I couldn't image living their where the laws vary from state to state. ATL is a very black area and my cousin has family their but there's all types of issues even the amount of annual leave they get is very poor compared to UK and things like MAT leave.

We need to mind our own.

An actual racist post.
Not a difference of opinion.

My comment was in response to another which seems to to suggest that racism in the USA was wiped out by the Civil War. I'm suggesting that nothing of the sort happened, they have their own issues still. And the Civil War was, according to historians, about states rights. That did include whether each state/territory could have slavery, but the war was not initially intended to end slavery. Looking at the USA to give guidance on racism do not seem to be the way to go, at least for me, as it is not a haven of tolerance.

Completely agree OP, YANBU. Not going to RTFT because I can well imagine some of the posts 🙄

@Sausagenbacon the fact that you think the Ngozi Fulani threads only show "differences of opinion" is part of the problem.

Re schools. I live in a diverse area of east London and my kids schools do have diverse teachers. But But But it all fails when you come to the senior leadership team who are all white, in both my children's schools. I see a similar pattern at work.

@loislovesstewie I didn't suggest that racism in the USA had been wiped out by the civil war. Obviously that is not the case. But a PP said that America had faced up to slavery and that we in the uk had not. I pointed out that America had fought a civil war which addressed slavery.

This country ended slavery before America and then spent years policing the oceans to help ensure that it was stopped.

On here people use racism, transphobia, misogyny, ablism and ageism to shut down debates. They do it because they want to silence people who have a different view. They equally attach labels like far right to things to silence people which actually aren't that far right at all.

Mumsnet however allows offensive posts to stand against white people and men. And it is extremely obvious how differently they moderate critism of Islam and Christianity.

Who benefits from pushing the fallacy that the US has a better grasp on racism? It very obviously doesn't. And trying to apply the US approach to the UK doesn't work because the UK's racism problem is different.
Our history is different. Our patterns of conflicts and immigration are different. My family includes Italian, Polish, Indian, Gypsy and Jewish members who settled here at different times and all experienced racism.To try to reduce UK racism to a facsimile of the US ignores huge swathes of communities who live here. It benefits no-one and frankly it's insulting.
It feels a bit like the US consistently focuses on the UK to try to detract attention from not addressing its own issues eg only English people in jail or paid damages over Epstein yet the majority of abusers involved were American; trying to apply the US civil war to the UK's more complicated racism problem.

The slavery question is an interesting one.

When people talk about slavery in this context, they are referring to the transatlantic slave trade of the 16th to 19th centuries. This is something that we in this country have apparently never faced up to despite that fact that the uk government was instrumental in the demise of this terrible process.

However other examples of slavery are not treated in the same way. A few years ago I read an excellent novel called The seal woman's gift by sally Magnuson. It was about an Icelandic woman who was, along with many members of her community, captured by Barbary pirates in the 17th century. Until I read it I had no idea about this practice. The Ottoman Empire also practiced slavery. So did the Romans. But no one demands that the modern day residents of Turkey, Italy or North Africa Dave up to the crimes of their ancestors.

But no doubt I'll be accused of "whataboutery" for saying this.

Face up to

@Sausagenbacon so you’re neither new to MN nor serious in your question.