To think MN has a race problem and it’s getting worse

[MovingOutofZone2]

Posters say incredibly offensive, often outright racist things and MN lets them stand as it’s a ‘difference of opinion’ and that’s fine. Other posters complain about this and MN deletes said complaints as they are ‘personal attacks’ and that isn’t fine.

Then we have mods wandering in and going ‘let’s have peace and love’, as though ‘both sides’ need to calm down. No, we need to stop placating racists.

I’m not going to give examples as this will get taken down as a TAAT, but I cannot be the only person to be fed up with all this. MN needs to do something about the racism, race baiting and general cultural ignorance. Unless the site is ONLY meant to cater to white people and, even then, I firmly believe that most posters of any race don’t want to see all that ugliness.

It’s getting to the stage where, as a Black person, I’m steeling myself before I log on. And knowing that half the time I report a comment, I won’t even get a token acknowledgement. This isn’t right. It wasn’t always like this.

There are gender critical people out there. Most of them are not going to be racist. But if someone is racist, I bet there is a good chance they are gender critical.

That's because the vast vast majority of people are GC even if they would not describe them selves in that way or have never even heard of GC feminism.

Most people agree that biology is important , that there are physical differences between the sexes, that gender stereotypes are harmful, and that women and girls are entitled to safe sex spaces in certain situations where women are vulnerable.

Not taking this bait here by rely to this poster, but want to highlight this prime example of racist/hate insidiousness here. This poster has firstly assumed I’m white and not a WoC, because I’ll be damned if they’re telling me what pro-black is if I’m a Black woman…
And then tried to align a pro-trans rhetoric, with an anti-black rhetoric, when neither were mentioned in the original message. So that if one is argued, the other gets confounded. These are the posts that get in the net.@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet

OP - I agree that there is racism and that Lady Hussey’s questioning and persistence was racist.

What do you want people to do about it?
Should job and university recruitment be based on ethnicity, and if so should the targets be set in proportion to the population or should they be higher? Should they apply to all jobs or only some?

I genuinely believe a vast majority of the UK dont have a any issues with other races. But there is pockets in all race groups that are small minded

Some posters on here have already proven the OP wrong. For example, a bunch of people are assuming that racists are just old white people. (which is what @Zeeza said way back in the thread... ) There are loads more....... I am really not going to bother listing all the others.

@MovingOutofZone2 YABU. People should be entitled to have opinions that are not left-leaning and 'woke' without being called a 'fat old piece of racist gammon.'

Not ALL comments that are 'non'-woke are racist. And when poster 1 says (for example) that they are a bit worried about the amount of immigrants coming across the channel, and poster 2 calls them a thick racist pig, then yes, poster 2's comment should be deleted. And NOT poster 1's comments.

I am sick of anything and everything, that does not meet the criteria of the left-leaning/woke brigade, being deemed as racist, and the person saying it, a 'flag shagging thick lump of gammon.'

It's actually grossly insulting and offensive to anyone actually suffering genuine racism.

No.

Nope. Don’t row it back. You’ve made it very clear. People aren’t being treated badly or differently because of their skin colour but for other reasons - because they can’t know what’s in those individuals’ minds. But you, who has no more idea of what’s in those individuals’ minds, can say it’s likely that they’re behaving this way because of tiredness etc not racism.

Is it hard work being that deep in denial?

@dieselKiller I'm not sure of your point. Feel free to do the exact maths if you want but I'm not attempting it.

If you're just focusing on black vs white and both were proportionally represented in teaching, you'd get 4% of teachers being black and - what - 75% ish? white.

So I'd expect any pupil to have a far higher chance of having a white teacher than black, regardless of the race of the pupil.

trying again, quoted wrong post.

This is pretty bad gaslighting. No one has said ‘racists are just old white people.’ The fact that you can’t quote even one instance says it all.

It’s actually the opposite, a lot of white people saying Lady Hussey wasn’t racist because she was old and didn’t know what she was saying. Which is a load of crap.

That is not my experience of MN at times

and neither is it the experience of others

and I did not suggest leaving hate speech to stand

rather than defend policies tighten them and take note of complaints you have a number of intelligent posters who will point out more subtle discrimination listen to them many will have had this experience in real life

and please we all know they MN is a very successful business and needs click bait to continue being so don’t treat posters as fools

Do you genuinely believe the quote

“Pro-female is not anti-trans.

Pro-black is not anti-white.”

is a prime example of insidious racism and hate?

I'm saying it's not always about you, but them. I gave possible examples.

I work in a school where, as the teacher, I'm in the minority in my classroom. Every child shares their ethnicity and religion, whereas I am different on both counts.

I know that the behaviour at their place of worship is exemplary, due to strict policies.

I know that behaviour in my classroom is, at times, poor and disrespectful towards me.

Are all those children racist because I look different and have different beliefs? Or when I'm tutted at, ignored, not addressed appropriately,or answered back to (at the minor end of the scale), is it because they're all individuals with their own concerns in their own heads, and experiences to that point in the day?

Or maybe I'm just racist because I think all these kids who aren't quite like me are capable of being rude and entitled???

Do I need to repeat myself? You know what you’re saying. Don’t expect an education from me. Don’t @ me again.

@WondrousWinger The point is that every student, including white ones, would be taught by at least one Black teacher during secondary and that each secondary school would have at least 2 Black teachers on staff. You implied that Black students shouldn’t expect to get Black teachers in a majority white country. I’m pointing out that 4% representation among teachers, evenly spread, actually means that everyone would get a Black teacher.

I absolutely have no idea what I’m saying that is so wrong.

Again, working hard to deny, deflect and derail. We’re not talking about your teaching experience. We’re talking about people being treating differently because of their skin colour and you’re saying it’s not because of their skin colour. Maybe think about why you’re so sure that it can’t be due to racism?

Please can you not hijack the thread OutfortheBirds . This one is centred around racism.

Oh look, TRAs have come onto the thread to appropriate racism for their own agenda. How very novel

I think people are just responding freely to the very divisive society we have now. Social media is depressing, and reflects the equally depressing culture wars.

You're incredibly rude, because I am talking about my experience. It's okay for others, but not me?

I'm not sure what you think I've denied.

I'm saying give people the benefit of the doubt instead of jumping to the fact they must be discriminating against you based on your skin colour. I do that all the time, instead of jumping to conclusions.

Consider it could be something about you that you can change that's causing people to treat you a certain way.

I've seen some ridiculous examples on here over the years of people ascribing behaviour to their own skin colour, when it's obvious to any one else that there could be a million reasons a scenario turned out as it did, and skin colour is the unlikeliest of all.

Arrogance and a victim mentality are the main ones.

Can't have anyone out oppressing the most oppressed people ever!

Me neither @GrinAndVomit and I think that poster is being unbelievably rude to you

’I'm saying give people the benefit of the doubt instead of jumping to the fact they must be discriminating against you based on your skin colour.’

’Consider it could be something about you that you can change that's causing people to treat you a certain way.’

’Arrogance and a victim mentality are the main ones.’

I think that people can see exactly what you’re saying.