Kier starmer! He hates strivers!

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He wants to introduce a policy to put up the cost of school fees 10 to 15%. This is a tax on hard-working parents! We slave away cutting cots everywhere living hand to mouth to try and improve our childrens future . Live in an average house average area 1 shit car no holidays work like a dog to get our kids through. We are easing the burden on the state system by choosing independent schools. We're not sending them to Eton paid by our trust fund! Why does he want to punish strivers! Tax the energy companies! So disappointed. We need a new political party. What's the point in trying to better your future.

‘Brighton College (recently lauded for giving 20 funded places to Ukranian students) has a similar level of income but level of financial assistance is under 8.5% of its fee income.’

Seen the press around this …Our school has taken in twice as many Ukrainian, Russian and Syrian children. But we don’t make the papers because we don’t expect those kids to be grateful…
Brighton College is one of the most elitist and expensive schools in the country. They give NOTHING back to the local
town and community, and their ‘bursaries’ are worth so little ( as a % of fees) and are so difficult to get that only kids who are EXCELLING in something to get them. They’re also offered in subjects that WC kids don’t often get a chance to take part in at a high level, young. And the level they need to be at to get those bursaries aren’t achievable without private lessons, tuition, money. Ironically.

There’s not a single paying parent at Brighton College who will need to pull their child out of the school if those fees increase by 5 or 10 %

But he is helping. He's trying to raise more income via tax to help fund state education and therefore the majority rather than an elite few. He might not be helping you, but that's the whole point - you're the elite few. So...you had to know this thread wouldn't go well!

My school usually puts up our fees every 2 years. It goes up about £500. Over 8 years that’s a lot, but to whack on £3,600 each child a year is a total different ball game. That’s £7,400 a year extra. I’m not paying that, the state can pay for them and I’ll get them tutors to retain their grades.

‘I’m not paying that, the state can pay for them and I’ll get them tutors to retain their grades.’

Dont pay it then. No one gives a shiny shit, whether or not you send you kids to a private or state school.
there is a chance that a child can go to, gasp, not private school and get good grades.Very good grades.

Referring to the Baines Cutler report as 'evidence' is good for a giggle.

The assumptions they used and their unwillingness to say where they'd come from - alongside the total refutation of their core argument by the ^actual evidence' of the last decade or so on the impact of fee rises on proportional pupil numbers - have been pretty roundly exposed as pretty laughable.

It is, however, a brilliant evidence of a report written to suit the desired conclusion.

Back to critical thinking: where did the report come from? Who paid for it? What's the basis of the assumptions and models they've used? What is the relationship with real world evidence?

As I mentioned, former Tory education spad Sam Freedman has done a good critique on this (and is good on the overall evidence base) for any who want a fairly even-handed and non-Labour analysis of both that report and the wider policy.

They aren’t businesses. If they were businesses they’d sell off most of their land for property development.

YANBU OP, I loathe the Tories but Kier Starmer has thrown away my vote and sent it over to Rishi. 🤷‍♀️

Labour needs a new leader who’s interested in solving the country’s problems not starting a class war fight over nothing at all.

ah so you CAN afford it? So what’s the point of the thread? Just scrimp some more. And. If it’s not for elitism - thus to give your kids a competitive advantage, then why do it?

So what if it’s an ideological policy? Politics is about ideology. I want to vote for the ideology that says the state shouldn’t subsidise the wealthy buying more privilege for their kids.

I don’t as they rarely work in reality and this won’t do much, or will make things worse.

But isn’t it the other way round.. Tax payers paying but leaving a space, they pay twice. So they subsidise the state system but don’t use it.

As an aside I keep noticing the way people who oppose Labour (even if they profess to 'dislike' the Tories but must now vote for them because of x policy) always misspell Keir Starmer's name. Of course you were going to vote Labour but for this. Sure you were.

Most have foundations that prohibit the sale of land and buildings. Most public schools were set up to educate the poor. It’s why they are called Public Schools.

They just got lost along the way somewhere. They became businesses. In some cases, highly profitable businesses with international trading arms.

Is it perhaps to be able to say at dinner parties, my daughter who goes to Benenden and plays lacrosse...

It is good that he is not making policy for his wife but for the whole country.

Sunak may have considered his wife over non-dom policy.

I was going to vote Labour, but then I heard that Boris knows what a woman is and so changed my mind.

Henuinequest
Brighton College is one of the most elitist and expensive schools in the country. They give NOTHING back to the local
town and community

According to the links below they have created 430 local jobs and contribute £30 million to Brighton & Hove GDP every year...

We strive to be a part of our community, not apart from it.
Our teachers, support staff and pupils regularly give their time to our many outreach projects, helping with their development and delivery. We partner with local schools and other organisations to provide learning experiences extracurricular projects as well as the use of our facilities.

150 pupils volunteer each week in a variety of placements and a range of activities: Some of the initiatives in which we are involved include Green Team, individual befriending, lounge visits, Dementia Friends, Blind Veterans, Small Acts of Friendship, Tea and Company, Hospital Radio, dog walking, fundraising, Men in Sheds, Precious Plastics, Maths Club, Minimus Latin Club and charity shop work.

A short message of thanks like this can never convey anywhere near the
same magnitude of good as has been done by your outreach programme.”
Alzheimer’s Society

In recognition of your dedication, passion and hard work in
supporting the community during the COVID-19 pandemic.”
Mayor of Brighton Champions Award

Thank you to all the pupils from Brighton College who have made a
huge difference painting the pavilions at Hove Lagoon. We were so
impressed with what you did.”
Friends of Hove Lagoon

I don’t think it can be realised how much we octogenarians
look forward to the students’ visits and the enthusiasm with
which they undertake their respective roles.”
Time to Talk Befriending

www.brightoncollege.org.uk/college/enrichment/partnerships/
www.brightoncollege.org.uk/college/enrichment/

That’s why we have elections. You can vote for whatever it is you believe in. That’s the great thing about when parties set out clear ideological policies, it’s easy to say ‘yup, that’s for me’ or ‘wow, bollocks to that’.

Have not read through the thread, but only 7% of children go to private schools, so the parents of the other 93% are not strivers? Give over. Personally I would like U.K. to do as Finland and have all education by the state (bar say v specialist schools). We are limiting the talent pool through our private education system who disproportionately occupy the powers of state and most professions. Private education buys influence.

I still don’t get the subsidise thing and it comes up a lot. If someone pays for a space at a private school they’re taking themselves out of state and still paying the tax.

It’s the other way around.. they subsidise the state system

I don't know why anyone would be surprised by a Labour Party policy that suggests better state funding for education at the expense of private schools. Get over it, that's been policy since the 1960s at least.

Private school is a privilege for which you pay. So there is more tax to pay - good for state schools. They need the money, this is a good source of it.

@Clavinova Do you believe every piece of propoganda you read?

@MarshaBradyo presuably these alturistic people who pay for children to not have a state education so that the state doesn't have to educate so many children, would be happy if the child who was not state educated was chosen by lottery from the community local to a private school, rather than being their own child?

It’s not a case of altruism. It’s that the repeated claim that non private are subsidising private is the wrong way round.

It’s still a choice, and no to a tax rebate. But it’s still being reversed for some reason.

What is wrong with the world when everyone assumes assume i think they aren't also striving? Again divisive politics of envy having its desired effect

Point is keir starter wants to level down. It's depressing

JassyRadlett
Back to critical thinking: where did the report come from? Who paid for it? What's the basis of the assumptions and models they've used? What is the relationship with real world evidence?

You could always read the 28 page report in the link.

If leveling down is the opposite of the ever increasing inequality that this government has promoted for 12 years, then I am all for it.