Kier starmer! He hates strivers!

[Bucketheadbucketbum]

He wants to introduce a policy to put up the cost of school fees 10 to 15%. This is a tax on hard-working parents! We slave away cutting cots everywhere living hand to mouth to try and improve our childrens future . Live in an average house average area 1 shit car no holidays work like a dog to get our kids through. We are easing the burden on the state system by choosing independent schools. We're not sending them to Eton paid by our trust fund! Why does he want to punish strivers! Tax the energy companies! So disappointed. We need a new political party. What's the point in trying to better your future.

Exactly this

If Labour come to power and take away the independent schools' tax advantages, those schools will have to either charge more or find ways to cut costs. They could have slightly larger class sizes, a different mix of staff, reduce some of their extra-curricular activities, or sell some land. Exactly what the state sector has had to do for about 15 years. Tough.

Or make a little less profit.

You can see the information for each school on the charity commission website.

"If Labour come to power and take away the independent schools' tax advantages, those schools will have to either charge more or find ways to cut costs. They could have slightly larger class sizes, a different mix of staff, reduce some of their extra-curricular activities, or sell some land. "

Yes I imagine they will do a mixture of these things.

When did Labour abolish the 11 plus system? Was it since the last round of children sat the 11 plus a few weeks ago? Amazing considering they're not in government!

You are correct that not all private schools are charities, and no they do not have to charge VAT on fees. Whilst Keir Starmer would have everyone believe that removing the “unfair”charitable status would automatically impose 20% VAT on fees overnight, it’s not quite that straightforward. There’s the small matter of existing VAT legislation.

Does the 11 plus exist as it did prior to 1976? No.

Very few places still operate such a system. You knew exactly what I meant.

'Whilst Keir Starmer would have everyone believe that removing the “unfair”charitable status would automatically impose 20% VAT on fees overnight, it’s not quite that straightforward.'

No he wouldn't. He understands the tax laws just as well as anyone else.

Tories needs to stop bleating about being 'taxed' unfairly in some way. No-one's being taxed unfairly - a loop hole benefiting the few and being used in a dubious manner, to say the least, is being closed.

1976?

You 'll have to remind how many years the TOries have been in Government since then (its over 30 years)

Why do YOU think they never restored it (as it was)

They will charge more, because so some in the private school sector, the difference between £30k a year and £50k a year is nothing and would just pay it!

for others it’s massive so would withdraw their kids and place more pressure on the state schools, as stated above a proportion of those who can easily afford it would stay and pay the difference to keep the school in profit.

so yes it would be “tough” on the kids, probably from parents who struggle to send their kids there, tough on the state schools which would become even more financially pressured. The rich people you hate who you can’t wait to experience big class sizes, lack of equipment etc really really wouldn’t, in fact they would just benefit from even smaller classes with even less diversity than before.

Presumably similar “loopholes” which mean there’s no VAT on nursery fees, pre schools, universities etc? Should we close those “loopholes” too?

1976, it's when Labour formally abolished grammar schools to give way to the Comprehensive System.

As for why the Tories didn't reintroduce them, this covers most of it.

conservativehome.com/2022/08/03/grammar-schools-are-not-incompatible-with-the-conservatives-educational-revolution/

So not reversing a policy means total agreement? I'll remember that because Labour didn't reverse privatisation and so on.

@Granddadwentdownthepit the gap between the rich and poor does increase when the Tories are in power. Educational gaps seem to reduce when Labour are in charge, so almost right.

I didn't realise we'd been living under a labour dictatorship since 1976?

They are.

They want to tax private schools to out more money into the state sector to support those children who's parents are also strivers.

You are more than welcome to use the state sector under proper funding if you want 🤷‍♀️

🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏 best response on here!

Well if you spent it on things that were taxed it would go into the economy!

Like houses. Sure they would have to pay stamp duty on that but that's a one off. But rich people spending _£££ on houses is not good because it raises prices on an actual human need.

Are the state schools really awful where you live @Bucketheadbucketbum ?
Do your DC have any local friends ?

I can't get my head around why someone would sacrifice all the other aspects of an enjoyable childhood to pay school fees - unless the local schools were so bad they felt there was no choice .

I suppose we all have different priorities .

Well if you spent it on things that were taxed it would go into the economy!

Quite a few working mothers would probably work fewer hours (or not at all) - they work to pay school fees.

I think there’s many reasons that tax loopholes need to be closed (I work in tax and believe you me the rich will be minimally affected by such proposals).

im actually a big believer in the effectiveness of rotating governments, some of what the Tories have achieved, some not. But unfortunately, we just haven’t had a string enough opposition to provide the checks and balances from rotating governments and therefore policies. I suspect Labour would have also harmed the economy in significant ways if they had been in power.

what we need is more centralist politics. Unfortunately as Labour sent more left wing it drove the Tories more right wing. Britain is at its heart a conservative country wi the a big C and little c but only very slightly right of centre. As a default therefore the Tories will always win. If Labour want to win they need to move back to the centre (think Blair). We need to have a change of Government but they need to drop the extreme left wing nature (why do you think Corbyn never won even when all the other odds were stacked in his favour).

the majority of the British public roll their eyes at all the left wing pc shit - and this is how many of Labours true natural supporters see it. They need to deprioritise something of these, when it comes to it statistically marginal concerns and focus on real life issues affecting vast vast proportions of the UK.

So after a total of 30 years in power, the tories agreed with Labour policy, glad we sorted that.

There are 163 Grammar schools in the UK, one or more in almost every area, they abolished nothing.

On privatisation, once you sell something, its extremely expensive to buy it back, as Sunak has found with Bulb and the some rail lines.

Sorry for all the typos

I've only got up to this part of the thread so far but JFC, you must be the most bitter poster I've ever seen. Such unnecessary nastiness, you don't come across as reasonable with points that people will take on board because the spite in your posts is so overbearing.

So Labour agreed with Tory policy then? Glad we sorted that.

Over 1,000 grammars were lost. Sounds pretty abolished to me.

As for almost every area, there isn't one in my city. There you go.

Yet Labour seem to favour the idea of nationalisation. Not sure how that works.

Bulb was a state supported administration process. Massive difference.