Things in RECENT times you can’t quite believe we’re seen as ‘ok’

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The Jeremy Kyle Show. Middle class man shouts at poor people who aren’t terribly bright, for not being perfect humans. So pleased it ended.

On X Factor and BGT when they used to show ‘funny’ auditions of people who believed they had talent but really didn’t so got laughed at. They then brought them back for the final to do a humiliating routine live so they could be laughed at more.

Supernanny. Childless woman who can barely speak properly pulls lemon faces, tells parents they’re shit and Instills sudden and sharp changes in the child’s home where actual camera are focussing on them when they’re distraught and upset

Sun sea and suspicious parents. Mum and dad spying on their adult children from a rooftop in Greece whilst said child gets off with a stranger. CREEPY!

Pretty sure it was not generally seen as OK tbh.

Love Island!!

The rampant neopotism/cronyism thing? It's STILL the case that if you apply for a job with the local council they ask on the application form if you have any relatives who are employed by them. Why is that I wonder? And could it explain why so many hapless employees have an Aunty Sue who's worked for the council since whenever.

I remember half white half Pakistani friend telling me she was half caste in 2000 ish.
I thought she meant that when the magic "make babies go into mommies tummies" spell was cast, their parents couldn't decide if the baby would be white or brown so the spell was only "half cast" therefore she came out light brown, but dark white. Made perfect sense as a child.

I was going to say something about 80s homophobia too. It was absolutely horrific. In general all bullying of all kinds of difference was much worse, misogyny is pretty much the only one that survives from that time. Tabloids, broadsheets, teachers, kids all thought it was fine to cruelly mock the fat, the disabled, the not-so-pretty, anyone who didn't fit in. I've noticed my kids' peer group (they are 11 and 13) don't seem to have transferred the cruelty to some preferred out group - they just don't seem to indulge in that sort of cruelty. Perhaps I am naive.

On the homophobia in particular - one of the things I find hilarious now is how INCREDIBLY gay mainstream pop music was in the 80s. If I listen to it now, with some clubbing in my past, I can just hear a throbbing gay club. I had no idea and I don't think the other girls knew either - how could we? - but there were so many gay male signifiers in that sound. I wonder whether there is some perverse connection between the extreme homophobia of the period and what feels in retrospect like one of the gayest periods of mainstream pop culture.

(I am not sure if it was the most extremely homophobic period - you might say how you could you see it like that when for many gay men of the time sex had only been decriminalised within living memory? - but it felt like a vendetta at the time. Not a quiet averting of eyes by those who would prefer not to think about such things, but an actual vendetta)

That a Met Police Officer would murder a young woman, whilst pretending to help her, that women would gather to remember her and the Met would go in and break up the protest... using force & arrests.

That many in the same police force would share images of 2 murdered women.

That a Police force would ignore the calls for help from a woman about to be murdered.

...but Super Nanny...

I presume you meant birth. You did ask! However it wasn't about that, rather the discrepancy. Anyway, it's not your thread as such and we're all free to an opinion which is the point of the thread really - how these change. I could just as easily have said the recent loss of abortion rights in North America and I hope someone does, but I'm free to express what I wish.

It’s so it can be registered as a potential conflict of interest particularly if you are related to a councillor, NED or director. It’s not to bump you up the queue.

When I started work in my late teens in the late 80s /early 90s office wear was pencil skirts and heels. No women wore trousers as they were seen as not professional. I worked in IT and wearing this I used to go into control rooms of our large chemical factory to fix any problems with terminals. We did get to wear safety shoes when out in the factory but that could involve going up metal grid stairs and walking along grid platforms in our skirt with men working (and looking up from below). The walls of the control rooms were covered in glamour girls/page 3, there was very crude "banter" and men hanging about just to see you struggle with wiring under desks in a skirt was the norm. You had to have a very thick skin.

Our new IT manager, tiny man in his 40s, at the time was brilliant, he had a reputation for recruiting only young women, he didn't, the department was all young but balanced, unusual in IT back then. We worked with him and the dinosaurs in "Personel" to make trousers accepted, said we wouldnt work where there were any inappropriate pictures, reported "banter" and expected results. He faced off a few men during that time, it was like having your dad in work looking out for you 🤣. We knew he would always be on our side so we were confident to stand up for ourselves - I remember one time during a conversation with the head of product management (with his staff in ear shot) saying "excuse me, but my face is up here" when his eyes were roaming. The women in other offices used to tell us how the factory men were terrified of our manager and us, and how they noticed the culture changing.

I still cant believe that was only 30ish years ago (feels "recent" to me), and how much has changed since then.

I'd say a large amount of harm, yes. Watching old clips is extremely uncomfortable.

All these awful programs, either revolting or pointless:
naked attraction
married at first sight
love island
the only way is essex

As for Jeremy Kyle, I’m surprised he was never punched, or Simon Cowell on X Factor for the way the treated people.

If you have no experience (and knowledge?) of drugs why are you opposed to them being legalised?

Pardon me for not asking for first what I should have put in the OP 🙄 it’s ok to be annoyed about the smaller things in life sometimes

I remember it was in the news that someone once flicked the DNA result card back at Jeremy. It hit him in the head and honestly you’d think he’d been hit by a car the way he reacted and told this man he was a thug 😂

Oh lighten the fuck up😂

All sorts went off in my area back in the 80’s 90’s.
Driving without a license, no seatbelts, about 6 kids crammed into the back seats. Health & safety was non-existent.

Legally seen as ok - absolutely not. Never said it was.
Socially seen as ok in the community and for the purpose of this thread - absolutely.

Not giving women proper pain relief at all stages of labour.

Really?

i got one in 2011

That's coming right back (not for me )

That possessing and circulating child pornography was only made illegal in Japan when the bill was passed in 2014. You can still buy cartoons and books that depict a cartoon form of child pornography. And there are over 300 cafes where girls of 15 in school uniform are paid to talk to drunken old men, or let the men sleep on their laps. www.ladbible.com/news/viral-in-japan-there-are-cafes-with-underage-children-entertaining-drunks-20170228.

This ^^

As a PP mentioned the police,
the fact that several of them rush around to arrest people for saying something perfectly legal that offends someone else, yet can’t be bothered to watch cctv of a man threatening a woman in a shop then taking out a machete and having to have it wrestled off him by the shopkeeper. Surprising they even turned up at the shop with their record of non-attendance recently.
They don’t operate in the way they were originally intended to.

Yes I remember my mum giving a load of us a lift to some school event in the early 80s. She had a Honda Civic (which were much smaller then) and there were about SEVEN of us in the car! Squashed in every which way!

My mum had a licence by then but in the 60s she'd driven without one. Once because everyone else had been drinking and she hadn't. So there was one sort of morality!

Nope. Not having car insurance was not seen as generally ok for most people.

When I started work trousers or flat shoes were not ok. I carried a lot of heavy boxes up and down stairs and climbed shelves in store cupboards in completely inappropriate clothes. Women were openly treated as lesser. All the women were put on a rota to cover the receptionist's lunch break but none of the men. My boss tried to get me to suck up to our CEO by bringing him a cup of coffee because she thought it would help me. This was the 90s. My boss resigned and I asked to apply for her job and I was told "no, we need a guy." They recruited externally and I had to train him. I know my work life would have been completely different if I had been a man and this has nothing to do with eventually having had children. I find it so enraging when people make out that sexism doesn't happen or doesn't count - well if that is the case now (it isn't) what about me now? What about the fact that my life now I am 50 is orders of magnitude harder than the life a male me would be enjoying at this point in my life?

Yes see www.gov.uk/government/news/new-divorce-laws-will-come-into-force-from-6-april-2022