Things in RECENT times you can’t quite believe we’re seen as ‘ok’

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The Jeremy Kyle Show. Middle class man shouts at poor people who aren’t terribly bright, for not being perfect humans. So pleased it ended.

On X Factor and BGT when they used to show ‘funny’ auditions of people who believed they had talent but really didn’t so got laughed at. They then brought them back for the final to do a humiliating routine live so they could be laughed at more.

Supernanny. Childless woman who can barely speak properly pulls lemon faces, tells parents they’re shit and Instills sudden and sharp changes in the child’s home where actual camera are focussing on them when they’re distraught and upset

Sun sea and suspicious parents. Mum and dad spying on their adult children from a rooftop in Greece whilst said child gets off with a stranger. CREEPY!

Jesus- yes

The weightloss reality shows where they would send off a 500lb person on a one mile run, and yell at them when their joints and lungs couldn't take it. And they'd have challenges like "the losing team must drink a lard milkshake that will set them back two weeks!"

(And sometimes there was all kinds of abuse going on behind the scenes. I saw a YouTube video from a woman who did a "chubby teens" weightloss show whose trainer would scream that if she didn't throw up she wasn't trying, and after the show wrapped he had sex with her friend, a minor, and sent her, another minor, naked photos of them.)

I believe that even now to get on that Dr No extreme weightloss TV show (600lb Life?) the person has to agree to humiliate themselves by having a naked shower scene for no reason except to amuse the audience. Exploitation TV is very outdated and should be because it reflects a very unpleasant side of its viewers, but there are still some shows hanging on in there.

Smoking on buses, and in the cinema.

Agree.

It’s a shame the ageist misogynistic post from @Jojoe29 got deleted, always good for a poster to be seen for what they really are.

I mean the comments were so AMATEUR! Women have dried up vaginas? How original. If you’re gonna insult people at least have the common decency to be creative.

And THAT is how outdated drag is, if you have to compare it to the time when women weren't even allowed to act on stage.

Can I just ask how you consider drag to be any less offensive than black face? They're both parading outdated, derogatory stereotypes of oppressed groups of people.

Matt Hancock going on I’m a Celebrity….

I seen a Christmas music video this week and the group of girls singing a Christmas song dressed in the shortest mini dresses and Santa hats ,thigh length stockings /socks wiggling their backsides at the camera they looked to my aged eyes too young to be out alone never mind being provocative in front of the camera.

Friends, a lot of the jokes haven't aged well.

The Busted song 'That's what I go to school for'. 🤨

This ☝️☝️

Being pleased to be picked to use the teachers lighter.. Which was shaped like a hand grenade.. To lite her cigarette.
Thisbwas 1981 when I was 6 in primary school

Also agree. I find it sinister that the BBC seems to be falling over itself to include drag artists in mainstream shows.

I don’t believe in banning it, just not trying to make out it’s non sexualised, and demeaning to women also.

Donald Trump becoming President. The whole Boris Johnson/partygate scandal. Loads more that I can’t remember right now!

Things happening NOW that I can't believe ARE seen as OK:

Drag queen story time in libraries
Mixed sex toilets
'Activists' vandalising properties
Just Stop Oil disrupting traffic
Men in women's prisons
Performative virtue signalling

Voting for Brexit. Yes, yes, I know. But what a load of old bollocks that turned out to be. Like voting for syphilis.

Being arrested for saying facts-men being allowed in womens changing rooms

the met having a hotline to let them know whose a wrongun in their own force

Well it does a bit because she has no idea what it feels like to be a parent…

Nanny isn’t a ‘how many exams have you passed’ type job 🙄

Anyway OP there’s too many to mention.

Boris Johnson becoming PM.

Arresting women for saying that men are men, while promoting gential surgery and chemical castration drugs for children 🤢

Trump’s attempted coup.

Russians torturing Ukranians for no reason.

Oh yeah and remember when it was a criminal offence to leave your house except for brief exercise or food shopping. That shit was weird.

Also teenage faces what is with the mascara on the giant eyebrows, and the giant lips.

I haven't read the full thread but in case anyone hasn't mentiined these:

Communal changing rooms
Bunnygirls
The slipper or cane in schools
No seat belts in cars

What do you mean by "recent"?

When I joined a predominantly male workforce some years ago there were no female toilets. I had to use public loos or nip in the gents whilst a colleague stood guard outside.

Complaints to my employer got me nowhere. The attitude was that it was too expensive to build facilities for just one person. who might resign at any moment.

Complaints to my union branch secretary were met with the response that it wasn't worth building special toilets just for me and maybe a handful or other women who may join in future, most particularly because we were only temporary staff who would leave when we got married or pregnant.

Eventually I took it higher and complained to the relevant government department. The union man then got the hump and criticised me for not going though the proper (union) channels to resolve the issue!

Um...are you new to mumsnet? We are allowed to swear here, in fact it's practically encouraged. I hope you have your vapours ready for when you come across cuntychops or similar.

Or are you just very young? I do remember the "says the person who..." school of devastating comebacks from about year 4...

I was reading about this.and horrified.especially how they were treated/killed often.in lots of religious countries too.i read one man story from Ireland and it made me feel ill.
And from this then the aids pandemic and how it was treated and not because of homosexuality links.

This

I’m sorry, the thread has definitely moved on from its opening post and I’ve only read about half of the first page of 100 posts…
but I’m fed up of my own bra straps showing - however unless I wear a turtleneck (which are grim on me) I don’t seem to own any fucking tops which don’t show my bra straps 🤬 it enrages me, I’ve got sweatshirts, jumpers, T-shirts, nothing has a narrow enough neckline which doesn’t show my bra straps.
i don’t notice anyone else with visible bra straps and I wouldn’t give a literal crap if I saw them on someone else - I would just presume they had the same issue as me - nothing has a narrow enough neckline. Where are people buying their clothes from for this not to be a problem?! NOTHING seems to work 😭

Meat eating, especially when factory farmed. We know it starts off diseases, increases antibiotic resistance, harms the environment, contributes to climate change, and people eat way more meat than they need for nutrition. We still do it
! Myself included.

We also know there's no real dividing line between animals and us that makes us persons and them non-persons (eg they have intelligence, relationships, memory etc) we just don't want to face up to what it means.