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Am I unreasonable for feeling a bit miffed off?

133 replies

PopGoesTheProsecco · 27/11/2022 20:49

My mum is always pleading poverty. I do numerous errands for her because she says she can’t afford the delivery fees so can’t do online shopping.

When she was in a care home for a few weeks after a fall I spent about £300 on things that she wanted and got them delivered to her. We also visited once a week (2 hour round journey).

She offered to pay me back for the things I bought for her (but in the same sentence mentioned financial hardship, pension credit etc) so I said she didn’t need to pay me back.

Today I ran a few errands for her including to get her some perfume and to get £250 out of her account. She gave me a gift card to buy the perfume with (it cost £40 more than was on the gift card). So I paid the extra with her bank card - but checked with her first to make sure it was okay, (because she’s short of cash and I didn’t want to leave her short).

Next I got the cash for her. I took the option to get a receipt for the transaction so she’d know how much she had left (I was worried she could be struggling).

The receipt after the £250 withdrawal showed nearly £15k in her current account.

My partner and I have no savings and quite often have to ‘rob Peter to pay Paul’ at the end of the month.

I’ve paid out quite a bit of money looking after my mum, she knows we struggle (despite us both working full time) and to find she’s got £15k in her current account has made me feel a bit hurt. Am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
PopGoesTheProsecco · 28/11/2022 18:40

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/11/2022 17:34

Quite frankly you sound like a jealous martyr. Mentioning that you did a once per week round trip of 2 hrs to see her does not make you daughter of the century. In fact, it is the bare minimum. I hope you have kinder siblings your poor mum can look to.

What a nasty, spiteful comment to make!

It was a statement of facts, not a complaint.

You have no idea what other demands on her time and energy (as well as on her finances) the OP has.

But to be fair to @Angelik they didn’t know I’ve got Long Covid and didn’t understand the huge amount of energy it takes to actually leave the house - let alone drive. Because I didn’t put it in my OP.

OP posts:
ranyBoskie · 28/11/2022 18:42

Has she always took the piss outta you or this new?

Choconut · 28/11/2022 18:42

We thought FIL was on the breadline, went out and bought his shopping for him as we were worried. He died and it turned out he had over 200k in savings. 200k! He was living like a pauper in a tiny rented flat.

Crikeyalmighty · 28/11/2022 18:44

There are some very weird people on here- probably with similar attitudes themselves! I would be fuming@PopGoesTheProsecco and I'm 60 and also people have no idea if she has other money. She may well have !

We have a very 'tight' elderly relation who I am pretty reliably informed also has over half a million in the bank/shares and no partner or kids either, plus two houses and yet makes a big deal about cost if he has to buy anything new or travel to other relatives etc -

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Inasec24 · 28/11/2022 18:44

£15k really isn't that much when you are reliant on a pension as your only source of income for the rest of your life, especially if you have to go into a care home if you have a fall etc.

Jenni92 · 28/11/2022 18:52

I would say set your financial boundaries. Love your mum but not at the cost of your financial and mental wellbeing.

Unless you want to resent her for asking you for things and you saying yes. It's a cycle I've been in. At first you might feel guilty but eventually you'll realise it's part of life.

Mummybearto3bg · 28/11/2022 18:55

I would also be annoyed but leave it behind and start afresh from here. If she needs anything just say you don't have the money to do it upfront it etc. One of loads and loads of reasons I don't speak to family anymore is that they constantly take take take and don't help at all. I let it annoy me so much I don't speak to them now so don't let that happen to you

RFPO77 · 28/11/2022 18:57

Angelik · 27/11/2022 21:07

Yabu. That is her only saving and is there to see her through the rest of her life. She won't be topping it up as she doesn't work. It's her emergency fund so she doesn't have to ask her family to help in a crisis. Don't begrudge her the little she has.

So just because that's all she has her daughter who has nowhere near the same should subsidise her?

OP ask her to reimburse you for what she's had off you and don't pay for her again. She's your mother and an adult not a dependant.

NoGoingBacktoThat · 28/11/2022 19:01

When you've stopped work, that money takes on much more meaning. There is more jeopardy in their situation and they feel it. It's the 'what if' fund. I think most older people, or people retiring feel like that.

Going forward you need to balance your need for security with that of your mums.

dcontour · 28/11/2022 19:09

You could talk to her about it. Maybe that's all she has and she needs to make it last. But maybe she has thousands stashed away in other places too (perhaps not immediately accessible - eg. fixed rate bonds, premium bonds or something).
All of this is just speculation unless you talk to her. But I certainly think you should make it absolutely clear that you are struggling to get by and simply can't afford to be paying for things for her.
She shouldn't be buying expensive perfume if she's really as hard up as she claims.
Find out what's going on with her.

DMLady · 28/11/2022 19:09

Angelik · 27/11/2022 21:29

Which she offered you money for and you said no. But as other poster said there could be a very big bill in the future and she is perfectly entitled to have some, albeit very small, financial security for that.

Quite frankly you sound like a jealous martyr. Mentioning that you did a once per week round trip of 2 hrs to see her does not make you daughter of the century. In fact, it is the bare minimum. I hope you have kinder siblings your poor mum can look to.

@Angelik You’re not exactly coming across as kind yourself…

Bollindger · 28/11/2022 19:23

You need to take control.
X can you do Y, answer is yes, but can you send me the money first as I can't afford to do it for free.
She moans about being short, you laugh and tell her, we are broke till next payday sorry mum this year is hurting everyone moneywise,

thing47 · 28/11/2022 19:25

I wouldn't be subsidising someone with 15K in their current account no matter who they are. Buying their shopping? I mean wtf.

If an unexpected bill cropped up that they struggled to pay I would help out with that for sure, but I wouldn't be regularly paying for things for someone with a 5-figure sum available to them.

And those people saying 15K isn't much to live on are projecting, I think. For all we know OP's mum has numerous other sources of income/savings @PopGoesTheProsecco hasn't given us this information so we don't kow either way.

Bluekerfuffle · 28/11/2022 19:40

Obki · 28/11/2022 18:39

But it’s not justification to guilt trip your struggling daughter into spending £300 on her shopping. OP has no savings.

Who do you think needs to be careful here?

OP’s mum gets Pension Credit so she’ll be getting at least £800pm.

My mum had almost the same amount of money as OPs and pension credits were 52 a week. All I thought when I found out that was the extent of her savings was I didn’t realise she had so little. I don’t think it’s a lot when you don’t have much income and are paying water, gas and electricity, phone and internet, groceries, insurance. Plus house maintenance. Not that she ever asked for anything and was always getting clothes or toys for my son.

SD1978 · 28/11/2022 19:40

I'm a little 50/50 on this. She no longer works and only gets a pension- so no if it isn't income coming in. If she needed anything major done and the savings were used she doesn't have a way to replace them. However, knowing things are also tight for you, she shouldn't be accepting when you pay- from your example though, (the £300) she did offer to pay and you said no. At least now you know that your mum is actually ok and can stop offering to pay. If she brings up being concerned about money I wouldnt tell her that you know exactly what's in there, but a general you're right mum it's tough for everyone trype comment. Many retirees have a magic number in their head that if they don't have X amount then they will struggle. You know within reason she's ok, so you can get on with doing what you need to in order to stay afloat.

Justthisonce12 · 28/11/2022 19:41

PopGoesTheProsecco · 27/11/2022 21:53

Unfortunately siblings want nothing to do with mum.

Why’s that ?

RoseJam · 28/11/2022 19:42

vincettenoir · 27/11/2022 21:03

I don’t think you are being unreasonable to be pissed off but I think a lot of boomers are v anxious about money. My parents and in-laws both have the kind of savings that seem huge to me but are very tight with money.

They seem to assume me and DH have more money than we do because we go on nice holidays / arrange home improvements while they live like Benedictine monks. But really they are far more financially secure than us. It’s about attitude to spending more than anything else.

So while I get why seeing £15k in her current acc is a bit of a kick in the teeth remember that her attitude to money is probably v different to yours and flavoured by the fact that she has little to no earning potential going forward.

I agree with this. People have very different attitudes to money and how 'broke' they are.

You are being very nice and helpful to your Mum - not just financially but sociably too.

You are entitled to say to your Mum - sorry I can't afford to do that. Your Mum can make a choice then what she wants. Also you are both adults and your Mum should not be expecting her dc to support her financially.

PopGoesTheProsecco · 28/11/2022 19:59

Justthisonce12 · 28/11/2022 19:41

Why’s that ?

Nothing much to do with mum really. Brother blames mum for break up of our family (in my view it was a 50:50) and step sisters understandably gave up interest when our parents broke up - though we still speak to each other.

OP posts:
Blossomtoes · 28/11/2022 20:01

OP’s mum gets Pension Credit so she’ll be getting at least £800pm.

Does she? I thought the maximum was £182 a week.

DillyDallyDooo · 28/11/2022 20:11

Blossomtoes · 28/11/2022 20:01

OP’s mum gets Pension Credit so she’ll be getting at least £800pm.

Does she? I thought the maximum was £182 a week.

It's £185.15, so just over £800 per month

tigger1001 · 28/11/2022 20:21

Angelik · 27/11/2022 21:07

Yabu. That is her only saving and is there to see her through the rest of her life. She won't be topping it up as she doesn't work. It's her emergency fund so she doesn't have to ask her family to help in a crisis. Don't begrudge her the little she has.

Eh??

Did you read the op? Her mum is getting her daughter to pay for stuff, knowing she is struggling for money all the while has savings in the bank, therefore not needing the financial assistance from her daughter.

I could save money easily, if other people bought stuff for me.

hellycat · 28/11/2022 20:50

Calmdown14 · 28/11/2022 17:41

@hellycat 5% on a Barclays rainy day saver (up to 5k). Nationwide do similar though you do need a current account. Both instant access.

Lots of flexible ISAs over 3% where you can draw up to 10% of the value three times a year.

Thank you.

GirlOfTudor · 28/11/2022 22:00

I can see why you feel cheated by your mum, but you've offered to do these things and have refused payment for them.

She probably has such vast savings BECAUSE she's careful with her money.

She likely thinks you're loaded if both you and your partner have full time jobs, especially if she's from the generation where a dual income household wasn't common.

The fact that you have to borrow just to pay your bills isn't on her.

The part where you mentioned travelling a 2 hr round trip each week to see her in a care home was a bit sad. It shouldn't feel like a hardship to visit your own mother who was in bad health!

PopGoesTheProsecco · 28/11/2022 22:07

GirlOfTudor · 28/11/2022 22:00

I can see why you feel cheated by your mum, but you've offered to do these things and have refused payment for them.

She probably has such vast savings BECAUSE she's careful with her money.

She likely thinks you're loaded if both you and your partner have full time jobs, especially if she's from the generation where a dual income household wasn't common.

The fact that you have to borrow just to pay your bills isn't on her.

The part where you mentioned travelling a 2 hr round trip each week to see her in a care home was a bit sad. It shouldn't feel like a hardship to visit your own mother who was in bad health!

Maybe you missed the bit where I mentioned that I have Long Covid and struggle to leave the house?

OP posts:
Hotelfoxtrot · 28/11/2022 22:12

Angelik · 28/11/2022 06:41

Stone cold sober. Petty jealousy from OP instead of taking comfort that her mum has some financial back up. If she is terrible as OP alludes to by revealing siblings have gone nc then perhaps OP can recalibrate her own relationship and how she supports her mum. But I stand by what i've said. No one is a hero for visiting someone once per week.

You’ve got to be projecting here. I can’t see any other reason you believe the OP is financially responsible for her mother who is financially better off than her. Absolutely nuts.