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To think Royal Mail workers should not be striking

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Hitthehighseastoday · 27/11/2022 00:55

They’ve already been offered a 9% pay raise and declined. Royal Mail is already making a loss. It’s a national service for the public which is now being severely disrupted by strikes, it’s appalling.

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HolliDays · 27/11/2022 10:26

Partner works for the RM and is now having to work night shifts in a second job, because the workforce do not get paid when they strike.

Inadvertently, those on strike are causing serious and in some cases, catastrophic financial consequences for a vast majority of their colleagues and their families.

Until the rest of the RM is privatised / sold to the highest bidder (Czech Mail anyone?), the employees are going to really struggle.

Goodadvice1980 · 27/11/2022 10:28

I support their right to strike and protect/improve working conditions but sometimes they don’t help themselves. Dumping parcels in full view of the street and then offering blurred photos of nothing as proof of delivery 🙄

merlotlover · 27/11/2022 10:28

I support all the strikes and we should be blaming the big CEO's and people in charge instead of the workers

HolliDays · 27/11/2022 10:28

@Conkersareback I well the people that send the junk Mail must think it's worth it, or they wouldn't send it?

The chief exec has already admitted to increasing the junk mail sent just to create more workload for the PO employees. It has very little to do with companies who want mail shots sent out, and is all to do with causing chaos so the public get handed a negative experience of RM.

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 27/11/2022 10:37

@GrumpyOldBastard
you may find it hard to believe but it’s true. I get sent the emails (as per the screenshot) and nothing. If there had been I would have applied. Knowing my luck one will appear very soon because I’m not sure I would want to risk it at the moment with all the upheaval.

MilkshakesBringAllTheCoosToTheYard · 27/11/2022 10:38

useitagain · 27/11/2022 07:43

It not like the old day when letters were very important, the only thing that comes by post from the bank is the occasional new bank card. The only other post I seem to receive are birthday cards and junk mail. There are plenty of other couriers for online shopping

I think your point is really important, even though I don't agree with you.

The RM issue goes deeper than who delivers the Domino special offer voucher. It's about what kind of country do we want to be. I don't want the gig economy. I want secure jobs where people are well paid for their skills and time. I don't want them to be incentivised on 'faster', especially when they're driving cars on our already congested and dangerous roads. I want there to be good jobs, opportunities and careers available for people without degrees too, especially as higher education becomes less and less accessible to people from poorer factories.

That's why I support RM and every worker who strikes to maintain decent jobs, decent ts and cs and legal representation through their union.

I'd also like an acknowledgement of how our privitisation chickens are coming home to roost, as predicted (by me!) back in the 80s and 90s. But I suspect I can whistle for that one!

wildpeaches · 27/11/2022 10:40

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 27/11/2022 10:37

@GrumpyOldBastard
you may find it hard to believe but it’s true. I get sent the emails (as per the screenshot) and nothing. If there had been I would have applied. Knowing my luck one will appear very soon because I’m not sure I would want to risk it at the moment with all the upheaval.

The screenshot is a list of advertised jobs though isn't it...

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 27/11/2022 10:45

wildpeaches · 27/11/2022 10:40

The screenshot is a list of advertised jobs though isn't it...

Yes. From the emails I get sent.
it was just an example of the jobs that are available.
None of which are ever near me so presumably there isn’t much of a turnover of staff.

Anyway, it’s going off topic.
I hope they get something sorted too.
I have a horrible feeling though that the strikes will be ignored and RM will disintegrate gradually.

FanGurlll · 27/11/2022 10:52

What @jetadore and @EasilyDistracted77 said!

Having been part of a very long, very public and very bitter dispute, all I can say is the press reports were total fabrication. In no way did they reflect the actual issues of the dispute.
No body wants to strike, it is not a decision taken lightly. There will be significant issues at stake here. I fully support the Royal Mail employees.

roarfeckingroarr · 27/11/2022 10:55

I don't support any public sector strike. It's making the taxpayer and vulnerable people suffer because of a dispute with the woe leaders.

GrumpyOldBastard · 27/11/2022 11:01

roarfeckingroarr · 27/11/2022 10:55

I don't support any public sector strike. It's making the taxpayer and vulnerable people suffer because of a dispute with the woe leaders.

The only taxpayers who are suffering are Royal Mail employees, because Royal Mail is a private company. 🙄

Guitarbar · 27/11/2022 11:15

HolliDays · 27/11/2022 10:28

@Conkersareback I well the people that send the junk Mail must think it's worth it, or they wouldn't send it?

The chief exec has already admitted to increasing the junk mail sent just to create more workload for the PO employees. It has very little to do with companies who want mail shots sent out, and is all to do with causing chaos so the public get handed a negative experience of RM.

And yet these companies pay money for the service so must see it as worthwhile. Unless you believe they are colluding with him for no benefit to them at all? Why would they.

Conkersareback · 27/11/2022 11:45

roarfeckingroarr · 27/11/2022 10:55

I don't support any public sector strike. It's making the taxpayer and vulnerable people suffer because of a dispute with the woe leaders.

So you support the RM then, because RM were privatised starting 2013!

Keep up!

IhearyouClemFandango · 27/11/2022 11:52

Surely if there are issues the top dogs could take a pay cut/lower bonus?

TimBoothseyes · 27/11/2022 11:53

roarfeckingroarr · 27/11/2022 10:55

I don't support any public sector strike. It's making the taxpayer and vulnerable people suffer because of a dispute with the woe leaders.

So what are your views on striking within the private sector...like RM for example?

Cancelledtwiceover · 27/11/2022 11:54

I have an online business and use Royal Mail, they do a really good job and I have around a 97% successful delivery rate with them. Fully support them, they do a difficult job in all weathers and have been and continue to be treated appallingly by their employers.
To posters that don't use them, you might not be trotting down the post office every week to buy a stamp, but I bet you will have received things delivered to you by various online companies and official bodies at some point over the last few years and will continue to take deliveries, so unless you have a sign on your door barring Royal Mail deliveries, you are talking nonsense.

Conkersareback · 27/11/2022 14:02

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Conkersareback · 27/11/2022 14:04

Conkersareback · 27/11/2022 14:02

King Charles like the posties!

LucilleLou · 27/11/2022 16:17

Menomadness · 27/11/2022 09:34

Gosh the absolute awfulness of some people on here. Race to the bottom indeed!
Absolutely 100% behind the posties and other strikes going ahead.
Re RM and the people on strike. This is also about changes to terms and conditions. They signed up for x and are now expected to do y. The whole family generally works around this re childcare other partners working hours etc.
it will be financially devastating for many if some of these changes are implemented E.g childcare costs, loss of one partners earnings.
There is ( or rather was) a benefit to having a regular postie who knows the area to the community. Lost wallets, ambulances being called, alarms raised if something doesn't look right.
The I don't earn that much, I have to work Christmas, I haven't got holidays, I don't get paid sick pay, let's use EVri type replies are just saying I get shit pay so should you and I am happy my children will be living with these types of shit job opportunities in the future.
I personally think my children deserve fair employment terms which value them regardless of what job they do, enables them to eat without relying on a foodbank and have access to housing and healthcare.

Yes the absolute awfulness of some people on MN full stop not just on this thread! Ignore the idiots who get nasty when other people don’t agree with them - they obviously have such pathetic lives that all they do is scroll MN all day every day just picking fights on people for their own idle entertainment - it’s disgusting!
100% on the postal strikes also - and I for one value and respect my postie!

Ontheedge2 · 27/11/2022 16:27

roarfeckingroarr · 27/11/2022 10:55

I don't support any public sector strike. It's making the taxpayer and vulnerable people suffer because of a dispute with the woe leaders.

  1. Royal Mail is a private company
  1. You do realise the public sector workers are taxpayers right?
SkinnyFatte · 27/11/2022 16:47

DH is a postie. Everything pp have said is true.
9% pay rise but they lose productivity bonuses worth much more.
Thompson is asset stripping the business.
Wants to "Uber-ise" working conditions, because people working for Evri & Amazon already follow this model, so why can't RM?
Expected to work lots of extra hours with no OT pay.
Pension is now crap.
As soon Thompson gets rid of the union it's getting flogged to a bloke from Czechia and his super-dodgy consortium.

I work for TfL. Am also taking IA over my pension. TfL and the DfT are using the staff as political football for funding. If George Osborne hadn't withdrawn Govt support years back and that prat Sadiq Khan MoL had raised fares incrementally TfL would have coasted but hey ho. Now the two sides bicker from either bank of the Thames.

We know NHS staff & firefighters in our circle, they are striking soon. The RM strike is nothing compared to what's coming. Many, many other industries/professions will be striking too.

Hitthehighseastoday · 27/11/2022 17:14

Apologies, only just got time to check and this thread now and not enough time to read every since reply

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Hitthehighseastoday · 27/11/2022 17:16

You could argue though that the postie’s pleading poverty are lacking in credibility, this is as they are seemingly coping with not being paid for days on end while striking.

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Conkersareback · 27/11/2022 17:17

Hitthehighseastoday · 27/11/2022 17:14

Apologies, only just got time to check and this thread now and not enough time to read every since reply

We'll go educate yourself? Because your OP is so ridiculous "they got 9% pay rise", not sure why you posted in the first place?

What's your job?

Hitthehighseastoday · 27/11/2022 17:17

Also if you watch the sky news interview with a union secretary. You’ll see the union person allege that staff have had “threats” made against them by Royal Mail but he then refuses to go into detail about what these threats are, you can’t do this as then your point lacks credibility

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