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To think Royal Mail workers should not be striking

796 replies

Hitthehighseastoday · 27/11/2022 00:55

They’ve already been offered a 9% pay raise and declined. Royal Mail is already making a loss. It’s a national service for the public which is now being severely disrupted by strikes, it’s appalling.

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Stillbrokenby2022 · 29/11/2022 19:12

Rhondaa · 29/11/2022 18:55

The pp asked me what I worked, I was answering.

For postal workers they surely, surely must see times change and 9 - 5 Mon to fri when there's so many far more superior services available nowadays just doesn't cut it.

Which service is superior and covers the same area?

Stillbrokenby2022 · 29/11/2022 19:13

Or actually just rated as superior?

SirMingeALot · 29/11/2022 19:14

wildpeaches · 29/11/2022 18:18

@Janiie There is NOT A 9% pay rise being offered!!! Have you even bothered to read any of the posts on this thread about what is actually happening? It's not just about a pay rise!

Has she fuck.

Conkersareback · 29/11/2022 19:14

@Janiie what posties work 9-5?

Anyway what hours do you work now?

Yants · 29/11/2022 19:15

wildpeaches · 29/11/2022 18:04

@Yants what a predictable answer. No please, you go first. I've asked nicely what inaccuracies you think the posties and wives/families of posties on the thread are saying.

Have a nice evening Simon.

My god this is like pulling teeth, but I suppose it's to be expected when trying to debate with someone who clearly has no detailed understanding of the subject matter.

I've already given numerous examples of how the union are not acting in the best interests of their membership and are leading them down a very risky path, but for the hard of thinking I'll say it again...

RM want to reduce the 6 day letters USO... This makes perfect sense as it's an outdated, irrelevant and very inefficient and labour intensive practice, being not only a huge drag on the companies finances but also limiting the quality of service that RM can offer with parcel delivery.

It would make perfect sense to reduce the USO down to perhaps 4 days and completely separate off the letters and the parcels sides of the business from each other, this way delivering letters would be far more cost effective and at the same time RM could offer a much better service with parcel delivery, real time tracking etc, as posties can concentrate on delivering parcels without having to deliver hundreds of items of junk mail and pizza leaflets at the same time.

The union vehemently oppose any reduction in the USO because "job losses" even though there are thousands, probably tens of thousands, of posties who would jump at the chance of VR even if only minimal terms were being offered.

In theory RM could achieve the required reduction in the workforce without offering any redundancies at all, just by biding their time and allowing natural attrition to reduce the numbers accordingly as it currently runs at 8-10,000 employees leaving the company per year.

In my unit of 75 staff there are 5 redundancies potentially available... so far there have been 19 applicants for them.

As I've said, the ONLY reason the CWU are opposing all and any job losses through streamlining the company is because they don't want their gravy train of income from membership subs to be reduced... they are not acting in the best interests of their members at all.

T&C's - Many of the T&C's that the union are opposing being taken away are additional payments that many senior posties receive as "grandfather payments" for roles and responsibilities that no longer exist, this is hugely unfair as it effectively creates a 2 tier workforce with senior staff getting considerably higher pay than younger employees for doing no extra work. RM have offered quite generous "buy out" terms to end these money for nothing grandfather payments.

Later start times- These are essential for RM to compete in the parcels market as this allows them to accept LAT parcels for next day delivery... again the union oppose this. Most of my colleagues who are opposed to later start and finish times are the most senior posties who don't have any family commitments but they just prefer the early start, early finish working pattern.

I've always found RM to be accommodating in offering family friendly arrangements for parents of school aged kids and I see no reason why such arrangements couldn't be continued and modified going forward.

I'm not disputing that Simon Thompson's pay and renumeration package is obscene, just as all CEO's of large corporations have obscene pay and renumeration packages.
Although Thompson's pay is actually quite modest for the size and scale of the company... there are plenty of other CEO's out there receiving far higher pay whilst their workforce is on much lower average pay and worse T&C's than what posties receive.
But this is veering into a whole wider ideological debate about the wealth divide and corporate executive pay.

There are numerous other elements to this dispute which I'm happy to discuss further with you if you want to highlight them?

wildpeaches · 29/11/2022 19:16

@Janiie It's actually a bit gross that you think it's fine some poor sod is out delivery parcels at 7pm, more likely finishing closer to 10pm, on a cold, wet Sunday night in November. Likely getting paid about £9 a hour too! Or less depending how old they are.

wildpeaches · 29/11/2022 19:17

@Yants are you still here Simon?

Stillbrokenby2022 · 29/11/2022 19:18

@Yants is getting their bonus! Less
staff means less mangers remember!

Conkersareback · 29/11/2022 19:26

@Yants how many share do you own?

Can you read my posts? Do you have selective reading?

FancyFran · 29/11/2022 19:32

@yants is talking bollocks.
I have posted as a DW of a postie (old school). So I will now confess I am a GCOO and there are no main stream companies paying £22k to adults in the UK (Marks, Boots, Aldi, shall I go on?) . If I wasn't a decent person and gave up my bonus this year I would have been ashamed. Without my job my kids on a postman's pay would have had nothing (as they did in covid when I was seriously ill). As for the pension don't try to retire at 55 because you are ill. They will take half your pension. See you next Tuesday lads.

7upandup · 29/11/2022 19:47

@Yants then why is it acceptable to fire a postie and bring in an agency worker doing the same job on lesser terms and conditions? That is not how any company should be behaving.
They are happy to have the same amount of staff but want rid of all the existing staff, so they can rehire people on less pay, terms and conditions.
I think posties would be pretty fucked off if the union stood for that!

Stillbrokenby2022 · 29/11/2022 19:53

Also there are only 19 staff interested in the redundancies because of RM’s little ‘sign up by Sunday’ sweeter and they can see how it’s being run into the ground.

The later hours are not just for parcels.

7upandup · 29/11/2022 19:53

Don't forget yants you are being used! Offering 20% extra to force redundancies. You are just a number as well and as someone said less posties less managers. It wasn't so long ago managers were about to strike for job losses...short memories.

You have a cheek to say our union doesn't have our interests at heart when yours is quite happy to let this happen. A union with no values or integrity is not a union I want to be part of when shit hits the fan.

7upandup · 29/11/2022 19:54

I hope you enjoy your bonus and shopping vouchers for crossing the picket. Hope you get something nice.

Italiandreams · 29/11/2022 20:20

@yants, we can’t afford to find £500 a month in childcare or lose our only family day ( Sunday) . You say they will be flexible but how would that would they when they are setting new start and finish time? Everyone do different times? It won’t happen.

Conkersareback · 29/11/2022 21:46

@Yants you've no fucking idea how many have applied for redundancies, yours lying!

Conkersareback · 29/11/2022 21:47

*you're

Conkersareback · 29/11/2022 21:48

7upandup · 29/11/2022 19:53

Don't forget yants you are being used! Offering 20% extra to force redundancies. You are just a number as well and as someone said less posties less managers. It wasn't so long ago managers were about to strike for job losses...short memories.

You have a cheek to say our union doesn't have our interests at heart when yours is quite happy to let this happen. A union with no values or integrity is not a union I want to be part of when shit hits the fan.

I cannot wait for the tide to turn, people are fools if they think ST is their mate.

Posties today, managers tomorrow!

Miajk · 29/11/2022 21:54

Mamabear197 · 27/11/2022 22:16

OP I’m so sorry for how people on this thread have treated you. Not everyone in life will treat you appallingly I promise, lots of us in this world are kind people, I hope you’re ok?

Seems like lots of people are also unhinged.

7upandup · 29/11/2022 21:55

@Conkersareback exactly. Managers are all smug until it is them. I wouldn't do it even if I were offered double the money I'm on. So many managers get demoted back to being posties again as well.
It was only in the summer managers were quaking in their boots because they were getting rid of half of them and making it so there was only two per office (in my office anymore, maybe more for a bigger one)
They were calling strike action for this but it was called off.
Yet posties are the bottom of the shit pile, quite happy to sit back in their swirly chairs eating their popcorn and stuffing their wallets with the extra cash.

7upandup · 29/11/2022 21:57

@Miajk ah yes unhinged. Mumsnets favourite go to word for someone who doesn't agree with you.

If I'm unhinged is it any wonder with the state of this bloody country. I need my hinges fixed for sure!

Conkersareback · 29/11/2022 22:00

7upandup · 29/11/2022 21:55

@Conkersareback exactly. Managers are all smug until it is them. I wouldn't do it even if I were offered double the money I'm on. So many managers get demoted back to being posties again as well.
It was only in the summer managers were quaking in their boots because they were getting rid of half of them and making it so there was only two per office (in my office anymore, maybe more for a bigger one)
They were calling strike action for this but it was called off.
Yet posties are the bottom of the shit pile, quite happy to sit back in their swirly chairs eating their popcorn and stuffing their wallets with the extra cash.

It'll turn around again.

Have you seen the latest.... cutting holiday leave to take into account strike action days?

Wankers!

Miajk · 29/11/2022 22:02

7upandup · 29/11/2022 21:57

@Miajk ah yes unhinged. Mumsnets favourite go to word for someone who doesn't agree with you.

If I'm unhinged is it any wonder with the state of this bloody country. I need my hinges fixed for sure!

That wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the poster rambling about how we can't disagree with OP because she was in foster care.

7upandup · 29/11/2022 22:06

@Miajk sorry. Yes that was strange.

7upandup · 29/11/2022 22:07

@Conkersareback just read that! Utter low lives!

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