To think Royal Mail workers should not be striking

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They’ve already been offered a 9% pay raise and declined. Royal Mail is already making a loss. It’s a national service for the public which is now being severely disrupted by strikes, it’s appalling.

@Conkersareback he's totally spending more time on mumsnet than trying to sort out this shit show that's for sure. He loves a good social media goading session

Firefighters are now voting on strike action....

G4S have voted to strike so could be no cash in your ATM/bank/supermarket.

Well as you obviously consider yourself to be so well informed on the subject and as you feel I'm incorrect in what I'm saying, how about you point out the specific demands and objections that the CWU are making and we'll debate the merits or otherwise of each of them.
And I mean SPECIFIC points not just emotive generalisations about "better pay" or "protecting T&C's" ... exactly which T&C's for instance?

Well today it’s compulsory redundancies.

@Yants what a predictable answer. No please, you go first. I've asked nicely what inaccuracies you think the posties and wives/families of posties on the thread are saying.

Have a nice evening Simon.

The reason the service has become so dreadful is due to cost cutting — one of the things the posties are fighting against.

They are shooting themselves in the foot. The royal mail is shit as it is, their 'tracking' involves a notification when something is delivered, not the real time 'your delivery is no. 13 of 46' you get with other companies up to date with modern tech and demands. I doubt the royal mail has improved any services in 30yrs. They need to get their heads our of their arses and get to work.

'I fully support posties being entitled to an inline with inflation pay rise'

Why do people expect this. If you work in a shop I doubt you get a 10% payrise because of inflation, which is afterall a temporary post covid/global issue.

A 9% pay rise should've been snapped up.

@Yants Royal Mail want to make themselves more profitable by slashing the workforce, ripping up contracts and bringing in zero hour contracts. Pleading poverty when they are bribing management with a days leave and shopping vouchers, giving them a 20% rise to force redundancies. Oh and the 142,000 bonus Simon gave himself.
It's utterly vile.
It would be half the battle if Simon was willing to negotiate and work on a deal where people still have their jobs, whilst modernising the business at the same time...a deal is to be done but he's not interested.

@Janiie do your research before posting. It is not a 9% pay rise and it is much much more about terms and conditions than pay!

@Janiie There is NOT A 9% pay rise being offered!!! Have you even bothered to read any of the posts on this thread about what is actually happening? It's not just about a pay rise!

@Yants , how many shares do you own?

It's clearly skewing your view.

What 9% pay rise are you referring too, maybe read more than the daily mail headlines and then you could enter into a reasonable discussion?

Don't fancy the hard graft, low pay, & shit conditions?
How very surprising.

And let's not forget the dogs... my friend who is a postie had his fingers bitten through the letterbox.
He also got stress fractures in his tibia from pounding the pavement.
Thankfully now off on paid sick leave.

The offered pay rise comes with a lot of conditions... including Sunday working! That is his only day of rest and the day that he visits his mother and takes her to church.

It is also being suggested by the managment that they should deliver the junk mail for free… even though it takes considerable time and the company gets paid for it.

It's about the erosion of conditions. Whoever said down thread that by modernisation they mean take less pay, shut up and like it is right. They want Joe Bloggs with his own van delivering parcels and they don't care about letters.

Royal Mail is a private company putting its shareholders first. Postmen and women work hard in a physically demanding role. Posties deserve proper renumeration for loss of conditions, proper renumeration for the work that they do and sick pay if they are ill. The gig economy is a con.

I support the posties.

'The offered pay rise comes with a lot of conditions... including Sunday working!'

God, perish the thought they work on a Sunday like many other delivery services. I had a next day delivery at 7pm the other night . If it was royal mail it'd have 4 days later if lucky.

What hours do you work?

'What hours do you work?'

Oh I've worked days, nights, weekends, Christmas days, New Years days. You?

Presumably you signed up to those days?

9-5 my contracted hours, Monday to Friday.

I chose my job, because the hours suited me.

If the hours were changed to Sunday, later hours etc, I'd also take strike action.

Would you just accept times just to be changed, meaning childcare issues, home life issues.

More fool you, if you've not got the guts and self respect to stand up for yourself and your worth.

The pp asked me what I worked, I was answering.

For postal workers they surely, surely must see times change and 9 - 5 Mon to fri when there's so many far more superior services available nowadays just doesn't cut it.

@Conkersareback precisely! What you said! but you will just be met with a patronising if your not happy in your job just leave like it's not a massive hassle or upheaval to your life.

Because 115,000 posties should just skip on out into another job with suitable hours, pay etc in a cost of living crisis. Because it's that easy for someone who it's not happening to to say these things like it's easy.
I love being a postie and my colleagues are decent, good, very hard working people who don't deserve this shit. I will be damned if I walk away from it all without a fight.

@Janiie posties don't work Mon - Fri 9-5 😆

@Janiie posties don't work 9 - 5. There are so many different shift patterns it's not a one size fits all. There are people who work full and part time over five days.
There are also late shifts and Sunday shifts for posties who want and sign up for that.

I do a lat shift delivering late tracked parcels until 8pm at night!
Why even get into a debate when you know nothing about it!

Off topic a bit, but bloody deliveries at 7pm+ (or Sundays!) don't half piss me off.

I'd much rather wait and get things M-F during reasonable hours.