To think Matt Hancock should have been voted off

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He broke the covid rules he helped put in place. He cheated on his wife and left his children for the OW. Why the actual fuck are people voting for this Tory to stay?

It wasn't that it was that he sent people back to care homes to spread to others. I think most people understood there would be restrictions at the time.

Like attracts like.
The gimps are flocking to support their fellow gimp.

But what was the alternative to sending people back to their care homes at that time? We were watching Italy and expecting a tsunami of people coming into hospital needing beds. There were no tests and we didn’t understand asymptomatic transmission properly.
what was the alternative? People turned away at the hospital doors? Left to die in their own homes? There was panic in the health service back in March / April 2020.
we all thought the Italian scenes were coming our way. We were “ two weeks behind”
what would you have done?

I have only watched a little because I cant stand him. His attitude about not emptying the basin was so belittling, the mans a complete arrogant jerk. There are some genuinely nice people there, like Jill and Mike, can only believe people voting for Hancock is the same kind of thing that led Trump to power.

We were told at one point we were 80,000 ventilators short. Remember the ventilator challenge?
it’s not that the British public has a short memory for me and people I know it’s that we have a long one. I can remember spring 2020 clearly. You could look back at threads here and see what the situation and panic was like.

This.

Because he can eat a few bugs or do a few trials on this crap program, he’s a hero. Yay for Matt bloody Hancock!! People have very short memories!

We’d do well to remember that MPs are not celebrities

I don't watch, but can't help but be somewhat aware of this programme.

And I don't think there's any "should" about how people vote.

It's up to the ITV viewers, and it seems they don't share that opinion.

(Remember rule of thumb - loudest-shouted view on MN is always the losing side in RL opinion, demonstrated when it comes to votes)

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I think people feel he has redeemed himself slightly, he said he wanted some forgiveness and he was honest about falling in love.
What would be good, is if those who criticise him massively were genuinely sure they didn't break any lockdown rules, like going to see their old mum, or letting their daughter meet up with her boyfriend one evening, or letting the neighbour come inside quickly, etc etc and I'm not sure that's the case? Let's be honest 95% of people broke the rules.

I think people need to remember MPs have always been shits, it's almost like covid came along and everyone was in complete disbelief over the government and how they weren't robotic about a pandemic that no one predicted.
If you are still highly offended at MPs behaviour you were obviously expecting too much from them in the first place!

And I'd love those who "hate" him to ask themselves, are you still bitter about brexit?

I think people are stretching to blame MH for everything that’s happened. He didn’t cause Covid. He (and Boris) were advised by a team of scientific and medical experts who helped create guidelines. More people would have died if no guidelines were in place pre vaccines. Almost every country in the world followed similar rules or guidelines. Where do people suggest the elderly went instead of being sent back to care homes? There certainly wasn’t spare hospital beds to keep them in hospital. Yes he snogged his co-worker who he was working with every single day.

He’s getting votes because of how his fellow contestants treated him when he arrived. Many of them with a colourful past themselves, Boy George is especially a hypocrite when he’s been to prison. Sue caught drink driving twice. Ant & Dec also treating him very differently and ridiculing him, when Ant can’t talk either. MH might have broken the guidelines he created, but he’s not done any of the above. That’s why people are voting for him

That’s democracy for you.. !

Been better prepared for a pandemic.
The Torys had years in power they were unprepared and the NHS was severely underfunded.

Remember they were found guilty of breaking the law for discharging people.

In fact, we know that doctors were being told not to test elderly patients before they were sent to care homes - the fear was that a positive test would delay the discharge, meaning hospitals couldn't free up bed space.So, elderly patients were sent to care homes without a test.
This meant that nobody had a clue who had COVID and who didn't.

( sky news)

What could they have done? Maybe not this for a start?

But yet again, you’re telling me what was done wrong, without offering the alternative.

I’m asking you, with the benefit of almost two years hindsight, what should have been done?

So that the virus could be contained, and also people didn’t die alone?

omg please go and post this on every education, special needs, health, benefits etc topic thank you

But yet again, you’re telling me what was done wrong, without offering the alternative.

I’m asking you, with the benefit of almost two years hindsight, what should have been done?

So that the virus could be contained, and also people didn’t die alone?

*Like I said maybe staff knowing who had it and who did would have been a start.
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The British populace played like a fiddle once again.
It’s funny and appalling at the same time.

There's all sorts of people voting for MH
People who hate him for whatever reason inc nhs staff and Tory politicians as well as other parties
People who disapprove of him being out there to "punish" him
People who are genuinely impressed by the way he's dealt with everything over there
Women on here and elsewhere who find his positive, tries hard, can-do, good at everything attitude very endearing and would happily erm jump on for the ride...
I've been really impressed at his tries his hardest, can-do attitude, kindness to other camp mates and general all round decency. I wasn't expecting that. That's why I vote for him. He's had to do more trials than any one else, he made it look easy with no fuss and drama and been kind to the others. He's a decent guy who deserves his place in there now. I'd be pleased if he won.

@PicturesOfDogs

Simply put maybe not broken the law?

So you haven’t actually got a plan that would have prevented the issues? Didn’t think so.

If you had a genuine alternative you would present it.

Well that was after everything else so....

Yes I agree with this.

The left were campaigning for more (and longer) restrictions so the argument about not seeing relatives etc is irrelevant and counterproductive.

Regarding nursing homes, I was working on the wards at that time and yes it was chaotic and there was lots that would/should have been done differently with hindsight. There was limited ppe, and limited testing capacity. There was an expectation of huge numbers of fatalities. Hospital bosses were planning for hospital gymnasiums to be used as emergency mortuaries. (I attended a meeting where this was discussed). There was limited ward beds, especially when those confirmed as positive needed to be isolated. There were also limited staff who were familiar with the area they were working on as many were off themselves or isolating or shielding. I presume the thought process was that once patients were medically stable and not requiring medical treatment they urgently needed to free up the bed space. It was pretty shortsighted to be fair, but there were countless other decisions made that were shortsighted too.

To blame one person for these things, which were caused by a global pandemic, when these decisions were being made by multiple people, doctors, scientists, politicians etc is frankly ridiculous in my opinion.

@girlmom21

If you are obsessed with making excuses carry on. Maybe one day the scales will fall from your eyes. Until then hope you are enjoying Tory rule.

I'm not making excuses. I just don't think him not kissing someone would have saved anyones life.