To think Matt Hancock should have been voted off

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He broke the covid rules he helped put in place. He cheated on his wife and left his children for the OW. Why the actual fuck are people voting for this Tory to stay?

I do not believe any of them wanted to do this. It’s the cognitive dissonance that is required in order to live with someone without losing it on national TV.

I think if ITV offered me £400k for three weeks doing a reality show I would take it so it was ITVs fault not MH's that he was in there, he didn't ask to go in there, they asked him several times.

@Confusion101

Well said.

Disclaimer - I have never vote for the Conservative Party

So to play devils advocate
Sending elderly patients back to carehomes - whilst Matt was overall accountable for the decisions made here, do you really think he just said something like “send them back, who cares what happens, we need the beds”. No. Public Health England (full of actual experts in medicine and NHS operations) would have presented options and I wouldn’t be surprised that this was the recommended one. Beds were needed for patients testing positive and needing treatment! Asymptomatic transmission was also not fully understood at the time. I have no doubt a Labour government with a different health minister would have agreed with PHEs approach in the exact same way. Similar decisions about requirements for PPE for staff in care homes would have been made in the same manner - we had major PPE shortages in hospitals, I imagine PHE said requiring them in care homes would only worsen the hospital situation.

The affair of course is not morally correct but we don’t know the full details of his relationship situation. It’s awful for his ex and children that it came out so publicly. In terms of breaching any rules, I see there is a degree of hypocrisy there which is why there was so much outrage. But he was already working with her (amongst others) so in regular contact anyway without masks etc anyway, kissing is really no different for transmission risk. My opinion is I see no major breach of any guidance considering the close proximity anyway - no real change in their risk of transmitting covid between them, but yes I understand the outrage.

PPE contracts also looks dodgy. However all major Tories were at it. There was a major shortage of PPE and any mates in business saying they could use their contacts to help get supplies was signed up. For example the Baroness Michelle Mone association with PPE Medpro (established at the time of the pandemic to win contracts and with no prior experience in the area) and their £200m contract, currently being investigated and reported on by the Guardian has no mention of Matt Hancock at all, but she did lobby other ministers and Tory peers.

As for voting record - the vast majority of MPs of any party vote in line with their party. That is party politics. Clearly Matt subscribes to the general Conservative view on policy, social issues etc. But reality is, whether he agrees personally or not, he would always vote in line with what is wanted by the government. I think his point that politicians are people too rings true, can’t judge someone based purely on politics and their involvement in a sub optimal party political system, which is really your only way to be a politician (or at least a successful one).

Anyone not angry about him being on this program is either not paying attention or is hard of thinking.

If the how pandemic fiasco (somehow) doesn’t bother you how about the voting against free meals for school children, measures to prevent climate change and laws to promote equality? Or voting for bedroom tax and student tuition fees? He should be keeping his head down not prancing about in hot pants on tv. Let’s stick it to those lefties eh? Let’s watch those people who care about others get wound up. The mind boggles.

Many were calling for restrictions to be tighter at the time, and now it all reads like it was all MH's fault. The public generally wanted tight restrictions, with lots saying it didn't go far enough, slamming those who were speaking out.

And the type of people who make comments like yours are a huge part of the reason that people vote tory

It’s not true anyway, loads of outraged people watching it and posting about it on here

The funny thing is, all everyone can ever do is point out what the government did wrong.No one can seem to say what the perfect reaction should have been in regards to care homes etc.
And that’s with the benefit of hindsight.

All you hear is people saying they couldn’t see their loved ones, which seems to suggest they believe there shouldn’t have been any restrictions?

So tell me wise ones, what should they have done that would have enabled the stop of the spread, with no tests/vaccines that would have allowed people to see loved ones?

The outrage is ridiculous.
I'm more bothered by the drunk driving presenter who crashed and injured a child.
I'm more bothered by the man who chained and whipped a prostitute- if he had been straight and the prostitute female this site would have been full of threads burning him at the stake. But he did some time so it's OK 🤨.
I'm more bothered by the black contestants that get voted off straight away every single time.
Matt is a twat, and he should be at work, and the PPE thing is indefensible, but he wasn't solely responsible for the govt reaction to covid; he was advised by overzealous scientists who ignored societal fallouts, and the buck stops with his cunt of a boss ultimately.

my position is same as @LikeTearsInRain
and MH is good in the jungle, he’s competent and a good camp mate therefore a reasonable person for the public to vote for. If he was useless , screaming at spiders and lost all the tasks he wouldn’t get as many votes and would have left a week ago.
the British public are generally fair minded and willing to look at some one in the round and mostly understand that decisions made during covid were made in extra ordinary circumstances ( and were recommended to ministers by the experts in the first place!)

If he went on strictly he’d probably be awful as I suspect he’d be a terrible dancer and voted out first round!

lets see what Edwina Curry has to say about Hancock, on radio 4

Radio 4 trying to put blame on Hancock’s success on the producers and editing.
but they can only show what people actually say and if campmates generally liked him they can’t show they didn’t!

There were loads who predicted he’d be out first etc so I guess they need excuses

she says he is rather a good guy on the show
and that 12 million people watch im a celebrity.
and probably its over for him in politics

the journalists hate this !

That was a relatively fair interview for the BBC and I agree with Edwina that MH has to be careful now and not assume everyone has forgiven him. That’s his biggest challenge now, not let doing well go to his head!

agree @sashagabadon
people will be gunning for him on the outside!

None of the points you've made have any relevance to him in the jungle.

Excellent post, I see it this way too.

It did make me laugh a little that edwina does not predict a Michael portillo TV turnaround for Matt ( portillo was massively hated in the 90’s and now everyone loves him). She’s probably right in that but I think she is also desperately hoping he is not a success as the jungle wasn’t a success for her 🤔

the major provider of PPE was china!
and they wanted that for themselves

agree,
we shall see

Would love a chat with you in real life.

I do agree that Matt Hancock is odious but Matt as a human has some ok features.