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To be glad that the Down Syndrome abortion appeal was defeated

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Fififafa · 25/11/2022 12:30

A woman with DS has twice tried and failed to get the courts to outlaw abortion beyond 24 weeks for foetuses with DS. Under current legislation for England, Wales and Scotland, there is a 24-week time limit for abortion, unless "there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped", which includes Down's syndrome.
I read that she has is being supported by some religious group.

I’m glad that the appeal was lost. This is a personal decision that every woman has the choice and the right to make. What Heidi Crowter et al are doing, is fighting to remove that choice from women. AIBU?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 29/11/2022 21:10

WimpoleHat · 29/11/2022 20:41

What I don’t understand about Rees Mogg and the like is that they fervently believe that the government should butt out of people’s economic lives and decisions…..while at the same time, wanting to legislate to control people’s personal decisions. It’s counter intuitive. Their politics aren’t mine, but I can accept a properly libertarian viewpoint for what it is. But this quasi religious theocratic but (large C) Conservative twaddle? Totally incoherent to my mind.

JRM doesn't believe in personal liberty, he believes in his right to do whatever the fuck he wants and fuck everyone else.

He is a destructive, waste of resources and everyone who has contributed to furthering his ambitions should be ashamed of what they've done.

TimBoothseyes · 30/11/2022 06:54

pointythings · 29/11/2022 18:18

@TimBoothseyes he really isn't. Cunts have warmth, depth and serve a useful purpose.

😂😂😂😂

Cuppsoupmonster · 30/11/2022 08:45

With his enormous wealth, why doesn’t JRM offer to adopt some disabled children who would otherwise be terminated? I’m sure with his resources he could give them the best care and education. Why doesn’t he?

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2022 09:26

Or at least fund an organisation to support their parents to care for them, and to provide respite care, and eventually life care when their parents/siblings die or are unablele to continue,

That would be the Christian thing to do - JRM is just a canting hypocrite.

TimBoothseyes · 30/11/2022 09:51

JRM only cares about the unborn child...once they enter the world (especially if their parents are low/middle income0, then all that goes out the window. He has consistently voted for cuts in education, welfare, public services, and a whole manner of things affecting children and their parents. He even voted against a smoking ban....so it's not ok to abort babies, just kill them with smoke instead.

WimpoleHat · 30/11/2022 15:08

JRM only cares about the unborn child...once they enter the world (especially if their parents are low/middle income0, then all that goes out the window.

This is spot on. Are all the forced birthers the greatest advocates of welfare for single mothers? Of education spending for lower income kids? Of higher disability benefits? Err….no. They’re not. Then their economic libertarianism kicks in.

Miss03852 · 30/11/2022 20:21

WhatarethePolicedoingaboutApricotCity · 29/11/2022 18:30

Rees-Mogg is the worst sort of cunt there is. As a practising Catholic, he is very much a pro-lifer, as one would expect.

He has six children (how anyone could be that intimate with a human pencil is beyond me). Then again, he's not living on UC on some sink estate, is he?

Yes exactly, very easy for a TRUST FUND BABY to be pro life.

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2022 22:03

His Nanny probably still gets him to spit on a hanky so she can wipe his face before he goes into the HoC.

Grantanow · 01/12/2022 13:47

Women have the right to make an informed choice. The Judge was absolutely right to reject the application. Curtailing abortion by the back door of one person's feelings would be ridiculous.

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You're talking to yourself...

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JudgeRudy · 15/03/2023 06:55

Just curious but if the law was passed, where would you stand as a parent if you said OK, the baby's here now, but I'm not able to care for it?

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OlympicProcrastinator · 15/03/2023 07:02

CoastalWave · 25/11/2022 12:33

24 weeks is more than enough bloody time to realise you don't want a baby imo.

Think its disgraceful you can abort at all past 16 weeks but there you go.

Women don’t abort that late because they can’t make up their mind. I don’t think people realise how difficult it is to actually access late term abortion.

I have experienced forced birth having being unaware of my pregnancy until 22 weeks (anterior placenta, depo shot, subchronic haemorrhaging masking pregnancy) There was nowhere available that didn’t have a wait taking me over the limit.

At the late stage you have to give birth either way, either to a live fetus or stillborn. You cannot understand the trauma of being forced to give birth to a baby you feel you cannot cope with until you’ve been through it. It’s not fair on the child and it’s absolutely not about ‘not being able to make your mind up’ at that stage.

OlympicProcrastinator · 15/03/2023 07:05

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Don’t you believe the baby has the right to be born to people who love and care for them? Every child has the right to a decent life.

jigsaw234 · 15/03/2023 07:06

hugznotdrugz · 25/11/2022 12:38

@WWimpoleHat so it'd be OK to abort at 38 weeks just due to changing your mind?? I'd worry that a rule like that would disproportionately effect mothers with antenatal depression etc

I think the laws should stay as they are.

TOP over 24 weeks is due to dangerous abnormalities. I've assisted on a TOP at 38 weeks. Late discovery of an absent corpus callosum aka no real brain function. Believe me, the Mum hadn't just changed her mind.

SnotRag22 · 15/03/2023 07:17

@EmmyEmm You've reignited this thread a few days before Mother's Day. There are women, like must, who have shared their traumatic and distressing experience of the loss of their precious babies because of fetal anomalies on here. Mine is a few pages back.

If you really can't understand why we made the choice that we did, then can I suggest you go back through the thread and read it. You will find it is love, fear for them and not wanting them to suffer which drives it.

If you just came to be unnecessarily cruel about our choices, you don't need to, we feel the grief of their passing ever day. They are always with us.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/03/2023 07:20

You know the phrase 'could start an argument in an empty room '?

This is an example of it.

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2023 07:20

Oh do bore off, Emmy.