I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

[HermioneKipper]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

I just feel really sorry for those young men. They get groomed and sexually abused by an offender who should never have been anywhere near them. And then their mum kills him, meaning they have to grow up without her around. They talk about the trauma nightmares, which she wasn’t around to help them deal with.

I find it interesting that so many people on this thread are centring the abuser here. It’s SS’s sons who are the victims, and who are left with lifelong trauma. It’s tragic. And yet we’ve got people crowing about her being a ‘hero’ in prison. It’s sick.

I agree with this. They needed her with them. They've even said they (as children) regretted speaking out about the abuse because if they hadn't, they'd have still had their mum around. Of course they shouldn't feel like that, and of course it isn't remotely their fault, but they were children who needed their mum.

And what would you all do if it was your son who was the abuser?

And don’t you think it’s dangerous for any society to allow men to rape and abuse children with impunity? Even changing their names to gain access easily to new victims?

The vigilantism would never have occurred if the justice system had done its job in the first place.

I mean I think it’s unsettling to hear a poster more than once say ‘whatever’ about a man who prolifically raped and abused young children. Your flippancy about this man’s crimes (and his violence) are unsettling to me.

Same. Makes you wonder why they're so flippant about it tbh.

I remember it said at the time that the mother herself was a CSA survivor and that's why she reacted so strongly on hearing her children had been abused.

This is the problem.
Even “ Elderly “ paedophiles ( Over 65’s) abuse children
A lifetime of getting away with it.
They are indeed bold and choose their victims carefully.
They can sense a vulnerability in a child, I’m certain of that.

Children are warned against “ Stranger danger” but paedophiles are often known by the family.

Exactly! People who say they would kill an abuser stop children speaking out to them.

I think whoever thought it was a good idea to send him back home should be punished with a sentence

If my son did anything like that, he wouldn't be my son anymore.

I said whatever about your thinking “anger and fear” instead of “violence and hate” make murder acceptable. You were nitpicking semantics.

Im a survivor of years long CSA so I have a place here to express an opinion. It’s not theoretical for me. I had an abuser, I know the damage that causes to a child the same age range those boys were.

But I still do not think it is right for anyone to go and kill like that. I would not have wanted that as a child and still do not. It’s not something to be considered lightly or celebrated and spoken of like it’s a desirable thing to kill another human.

I think it depends what you mean by "work". I believe all the evidence suggests it's a very poor deterrent but there is no denying that it's 100% effective if you want to stop someone committing further offences.

It's 100% effective at preventing the person you've executed committing further crimes. Of course, they have to be the right person. Executing this man wouldn't have done much good, thankfully he was "only" imprisoned for 38 years!

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/29/man-released-from-california-prison-after-38-years-after-dna-test

(I appreciate that in Sarah Sands' case she did know who the perpetrator was, but I'm talking about the death penalty generally)

I think the most sensible approach would be for the convicted paedophile to have complete surgical castration + chemical castration. Physically they can no longer rape, and the chemicals would subdue their urges anyway. If they don't keep up with their chemical castration drugs then it's back to prison, a regular prison where their lives would be made a living Hell by other inmates.

I was misquoted, I never said whatever about this man.

A justice system in need of some reforms is no reason to make society more dangerous by doing away with a justice system altogether.

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

Even the woman in question has said she wouldn't do it again

Fair play to her, I’m just sorry that his victims were failed probably many times over the years and her sentence was extended so more time away from her sons.
Justice wasn’t working was it? He was a repeat offender, who know how many lives he ruined.
Her mistakes were to take her own knife, so it looked premeditated & she didn’t call an ambulance. She should have used a knife from his house , waited 10 minutes then called an ambulance.

Good luck to her and her family.

I'm someone abused as a child by an adult in a position of trust. That adult paid no price.

I find paedophiles and sexual abusers upsetting. I find a society which enables, hell, even encourages such behaviour at times, deeply deeply upsetting.

Hearing traumatised people and those who love them speak plainly is not upsetting to me.

This is a crime committed against the backdrop of a patriachal society which doesn't do enough to protect women and children. Women rarely kill. These are words of pain and desperation. To dismiss as "bloodthirsty" willfully ignores context.

The problem with this sort of vigilante action is that sometimes they get the wrong person.

At a school local to where I lived some years ago a girl of about 11 accused a male teacher of abusing her. He was suspended, there was a criminal investigation and he was exonerated. It was openly discussed locally that children in her class had told parents she had been told off by him and had vowed to "get him" and she did. He wasn't convicted but he did have a breakdown and lost his career. Fortunately no one decided to murder him.

I see your point but I think one problem with this is that it would open the door for removal of body parts to be a punishment for other types of crime.
Don't get me wrong if anyone did this to my child I would want to behead them, and that would be a very bad thing for everyone, that's the problem with revenge it doesn't solve anything.
I think greater public awareness of how sexual predators operate and how grooming works could be part of a solution.

It sounds very expensive. This is why I'm in favour of the death penalty (for serious criminals) - a gallows, a rope and gravity do the job, simply and effectively (most experts agree that even if the drop doesn't kill instantly, people usually die within 20 minutes or so).

No need to keep someone in prison for years, no need to supervise them after release, no human rights lawyers arguing that castration is unacceptable. Simply execute after conviction and incinerate the body.

(Lawyers will still argue of course, but it's a fait accompli by the time their case gets to court.)

Also, in a truly 'civilized society' no one would be allowed to have 29 previous convictions for sexual abuse, and still be out on the streets.

He was awaiting trial. So obviously it was. There are obviously massive problems with the length of time it currently takes any case to come to trial, but we all need to tell our MPs that that is unacceptable, not go out and kill people.

We'll never know now, will we, because it was taken out of our hands.

Some reform? Some? 🙄

It needs a total reform to keep children safe. And if it remains ideologically hamstrung and fails to keep paedophiles away from children then this is the inevitable outcome. 24 convictions over thirty years, FFS.

I think what she did was fair and reasonable. I wouldn't have given her a custodial sentence.