Kids still feeling the effects of lockdowns…

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I just got caught reading a really interesting thread on Twitter started by a teacher:

“Is anyone else thinking we are starting to see the impact of 2 years of disruption and time at home, due to COVID 19, in schools? Extreme behaviours? Some pupils very emotional and struggling to regulate? Low attendance compared to normal? Winter bugs hitting hard?”

A lot of the comments say Y3 is the worst, others saying Years 7 and 8.

My DS is in Year 2 and often struggles with emotions and self regulation at school. It’s made me think, perhaps there’s a reason why linked to the pandemic. Lockdown was hard, DP and I were home with very young DC, trying to work, poor mental health, emotions high. Very little patience.

I'd agree with that, BlackFriday. I've never found noblegiraffe to insult others; she simply wants the best for schools, teachers, and children. I'm sorry that some posters find that confronting and feel the need to abuse her.

I agree, too. noblegiraffe’s posts are relevant, extremely informative, well researched and clearly written. She has never tried to force people off threads, but has been the victim multiple times of posters attempting to do that to her. What ruins threads is not noblegiraffe posting on them, it’s the posters who viciously try to force her off them and then continue to quote her when she has left, in a seemingly bizarre attempt to get her back onto the thread so they can continue to be abusive towards her rather than get on with the thread they said was being ruined by her.

Obviously everyone’s experience of posters will be different depending on where you stand on something. This site was fairly aggressive for many who had a differing view, if you were not in the minority you’d not have found it the same.

I just avoid threads started by those I find particularly unpleasant and scroll by and not engage in quote rounds. Works for me.

Noblegiraffe was generally in a minority, however. So it’s not as if she is part of the majority being agreed with.

I don’t agree at all but that’s using a chat forum for you. We all have different experiences.

Going back to op I haven’t read the article but it’ll be interesting to see what comes out.

I though we were getting it wrong at the time so people saying that after - I’m not going to disagree with.

@MarshaBradyo

Obviously everyone’s experience of posters will be different depending on where you stand on something. This site was fairly aggressive for many who had a differing view, if you were not in the minority you’d not have found it the same.

This is true - but you weren't part of a minority, not at all.

Well exactly. Try finding a thread where everyone agreed with noblegiraffe and nobody was directly aggressive towards her, though. There are no threads on mumsnet that have worked like an echo chamber, they have all contained a variety of opinions. What ruins the threads is the people who claim extremely vociferously that their voices are being drowned out by the people they disagree with, rather than using their voices to say what they claim they wish to say.

It’s probably pointless trying to tell someone what their experience was even if you try.

But I know on some threads I’d be very much in the minority and be quoted by nearly everyone in disagreement. There are a few usernames that I remember I was grateful for those that felt the same, a few on this thread.

Other times I’d not bother and someone else would get the flack.

Anyway as you have a lower insight into my experience than I do I’d just leave it there.

It will be interesting to see how parents react to the publicity about Strep A in the build up to Christmas. Are we going to have some parents withdrawing their children early from school again? When will we get past the knock on effects of the last few years? This isn’t a little local UK issue - the entire world reacted to the global pandemic and every country has been impacted by the reactions of other countries, not just their own.

If there's an easy way to go back to posts from March 2020 I'd be happy to find plenty of examples. It certainly was not mild.

At one point we were told to send our kids off to school with their book bags, and a child sized body bag as well. It was vile.

I very vividly recall being told how I plan to tell my child they killed their teacher by continuing to attend school. My child remained in school as there was a verh real likelihood if she didn't our family would have broken down to the point of no return. We lost all her respite, all her therapies, all her support overnight. The only thing we still had was her place in school so it was a survival matter for us too.

Ironically it was the healthiest 3 months of school ever.

People round here have short memories. I remember the posts, not to you specifically @SEND2022, but the general aggression towards people that sent their kids to school. Questioning key work status, demanding to know exactly why a vulnerable child could not be home schooled. Me and exDP are key workers, we were working out of the house all through covid in essential roles and the narrative on mumsnet quickly went from respect for people doing these jobs to an assumption that most key workers were piss takers and only a few were "genuine" and people were abusing key worker status to get their kids in school and therefore are directly responsible for killing teachers. It was a time of fear, I suppose, but nasty things were said.

That was always the risk of the approach. We didn’t use much more than messaging for compliance but the downside was that the risk was so exaggerated people became fearful.

And yes agree re anger, abuse etc on here that pp mention.

I remember vile things being said to teachers, too. Vile things being said to people who visited family overseas. Vile things said to people who took the opportunity to travel when it was allowed. Vile things said about elderly people and people who were cev.

Only to remember the vile things said that were directed at one group is to have a pretty selective memory. I remember pretty widespread scapegoating and unpleasantness.

And as for the people who stood outside schools thrusting leaflets at children telling them that vaccinations could kill them or give them lifelong disabilities… it’s bad enough online, but to turn up in person to get at the children directly is pretty vile, whatever your personal views on the subject.

walk I did not do that but I was very sad when we started to vaccinate children. I remain angry about it.

so I had a certain sympathy with those protestors

Well this thread hasn’t aged well in terms of the reported child deaths from Strep A, bloody hell.

I was annoyed at the time that children and the younger generation were making sacrifices for the older generation, even more so now!

Maybe we need to rethink the flumist. Perhaps the original jab would be better.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.11.27.22282750v1?rss=1

metro.co.uk/2022/12/02/lockdowns-to-blame-for-strep-a-thats-killed-four-children-17869851/

I saw a headline the other day that said the lifting of restrictions was to blame for the spike. No no no they needn’t start with that shit. The default is to live life free of restrictions. If they hadn’t been imposed they wouldn’t have been lifted. So it’s the imposition that’s caused the problems. They can fuck off with that kind of messaging that sounds like it could be priming us for mask wearing or other measures coming back.

buzz I’m interested in that as I feel that every year after the nasal flu vaccine the onslaught begins.

@MichaelFabricantWig I saw a poster on another thread on here mention masks should be brought back. No fucking way

@JenniferBooth There are an awful lot of modal verbs in that article.