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"A little girl being rough with her hands"

113 replies

Jourdain11 · 22/11/2022 19:34

DC's primary gave them the option to watch the football yesterday and both my DD2 (year 5) and DS did. The ones who didn't want to watch (like my DD1!) got to read or watch st

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YorkshireMom · 22/11/2022 20:02

I would be up the school. I’d want to know what the boys discipline was for saying something so sexist

euff · 22/11/2022 20:04

It's not just a little fight if the boy is saying football isn't for girls and calling her a lesbian. Never heard of dumb as soup though! I would want a word with that TA, what era are we in!

Lullabies2Paralyze · 22/11/2022 20:05

DigbyLongcock · 22/11/2022 19:46

YANBU in the slightest to object to girls being singled out for this - but I'm gobsmacked that any school lets children watch a football match. WTF?

My secondary school did in early 200’s….don’t know what tournament it was but they started school later (think first class or first 2 classes were skipped). You could watch footy at home or watch in canteen or just do what me and my mate did as we got school bus which was to roam around the school grounds for a few hours. Honestly I think the football watching was more for the benefit of the teachers.

Jourdain11 · 22/11/2022 20:05

They play mixed football at school, and they've been on the 10 and under team together.

I'm also surprised that this exchange went unchecked so long but I guess there were quite a lot of them in watching it together and it was probably not so quiet. DD wasn't upset about the boy. They scrap a bit on an almost daily basis. She was annoyed that he was "sexist and lesbianist" but not upset. She was more annoyed about the "little girl" comment, judging by the fact she told me about it at least 10 times!

I think a lot of schools let kids watch football yesterday!

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Jourdain11 · 22/11/2022 20:07

euff · 22/11/2022 20:04

It's not just a little fight if the boy is saying football isn't for girls and calling her a lesbian. Never heard of dumb as soup though! I would want a word with that TA, what era are we in!

Apparently grandad says it. Soup for brains? I'm not sure!

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WombatStewForTea · 22/11/2022 20:08

You need to report it to the school. In my place he'd get a good bollocking and it'd be recorded as a homophobic incident Incase a further pattern appeared.
Never mind the TAs massively inappropriate response

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 22/11/2022 20:08

Yes that's awful. But it's also awful that the little boy was being sexist and homophobic. I'd make the school aware that a boy was using lesbian as an insult., that's an example of homophobic bullying that ofsted are massively cracking down on

Jourdain11 · 22/11/2022 20:09

YorkshireMom · 22/11/2022 20:02

I would be up the school. I’d want to know what the boys discipline was for saying something so sexist

DD said to the TA he was elbowing her and getting on her nerves and being "lesbianist", so it's not like they didn't know either!

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Gagaandgag · 22/11/2022 20:14

halofern · 22/11/2022 19:49

I would 100% be speaking to the class teacher about this incident OP! One for the comment from the TA but two the 'lesbian' comment and elbowing from the little boy. Neither things are ok. A bit has verbally abused her, elbowed her, she's retaliated and then she's the one that's got 'told off' for it. Stand up for your girl.

This!!!!

AmeliaEarhart · 22/11/2022 20:14

I’d definitely be encouraging the school to come down hard on the use lesbian as a derogatory term. “Dumb as soup” made me laugh though. Your daughter sounds ace!

butterfliedtwo · 22/11/2022 20:17

Setyoufree · 22/11/2022 19:48

YANBU and actually I would be taking it up with the school, for what the TA said and what the boy said. I'm sick of our daughters being told things like football are only for boys, enough.

And for lesbian to be used as an insult. I'd complain. None of it is OK.

Victoriaplum81 · 22/11/2022 20:19

Jourdain11 · 22/11/2022 19:43

Arghhh, moving keyboard - sorry! Posted too soon.

The ones who didn't want to watch (like my DD1!) got to read or watch sth else. My DD2 has a feisty relationship with a couple of the boys in her class. This boy said to her, why was she watching the football, it was just for the boys. She told him to shut up and he called her a lesbian. She said he was "dumb as soup" (and she didn't get that expression from me!) They seem to have kept it up for a while and he started elbowing her. She said she got sick of it, so after a bit she sort of slapped at his arm.

At this point, the TA who was keeping an eye on them came over and separated then, and told my DD it was "not nice to see a little girl being rough with her hands"!

I may be unreasonable and hung up on the wrong things here but honestly - it's like sth out of the 1950s!!

I'm not going to say anything, but I think it's insane that someone says that, while apparently it's far less objectionable for a "little boy" to be rough with his elbows.

I think you’re being ridiculous.
I doubt she meant is specifically to her as in because she’s a girl… just probably not nice to see anyone being rough. Also you’re assuming this is what was said from your child?

Irridescantshimmmer · 22/11/2022 20:19

Your daughter had EVERY right to defend herself and the TA should have stepped in and reprimanded the the prejudiced kid for not keeping his hands to himself in the first place.

Victoriaplum81 · 22/11/2022 20:20

However the lesbian comment is totally unnecessary and he should be spoken to

Lampedsomeoiks · 22/11/2022 20:20

I read a post on a website once saying a nurse said her 1 day old baby daughter was not being lady-like due to her crying. It might be have been jokingly said, who knows tbh, but it is this nonsense that is perpetuated throughout a girl's and woman's life.

Bronzeisthecolour · 22/11/2022 20:21

Similar happened to my dd. Not proud if it but my dd punched a boy. He had been pushing her about, she's tiny compared to him, she asked him to stop. He pushed her over. She stood up abd punched him. TA separated them etc we went to school about ut and headteacher was 'shocked a little girl could punch!' Seemed more bothered about that then any other part of the incident. We took it to governors, got an apology but its done...... the bit never touched my dd again!

Jourdain11 · 22/11/2022 20:21

cansu · 22/11/2022 19:58

I always wonder if parents talk in the terms that they do here at home. When your kids at home elbow one another and say something mean, do you tell them off for verbal abuse, sexism and physical aggression? Do you report yourself for failing to safeguard your child from your other child? This is two kids being mean to each other. Let's not over complicate things.

If my son said to my daughter that football was only for boys, I'd tell him he was entirely wrong! Although I might not get a word in edgeways.When they are If they were whacking each other, I'd tell them to stop. I certainly wouldn't do any little boys and girls talk (and who calls a year 5 a little girl anyway?).

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ThanksAntsThants · 22/11/2022 20:24

so your DD was on the receiving end of sexist and homophobic bullying from the boy, then sexism from the teacher, and you’re not going to say anything? Why not?

InTheFutilityRoomEatingBiscuits · 22/11/2022 20:27

I’d have issue with that OP, I get you. There is a clear inference that girls don’t behave that way and it implies it’s OK for the boy.

I’d definitely count year 5 as little girls and little boys though. Maybe because I have little DC that age but also whacking great older teens.

TwinklingStarlight · 22/11/2022 20:28

Yeah DS got told "stop squealing. Girls squeal. Boys don't squeal." I couldn't leave it, I did mention it to school.

BCxx · 22/11/2022 20:30

I’m a teacher and it obviously could have been a hugely sexist thing to say but again this is one of these posts turning the blame onto the member of staff in school rather than the children. In that situation your child was not being treated well by these children but she should have told the TA and asked to move rather than resorting to hitting. Chances are the TA has ran round non-stop sorting out minor issues with behaviour and has had to say something to your child so said that, which is true. It would have definitely been sexist if she said it was okay for boys to do it but she didn’t say that.

bloodyeverlastinghell · 22/11/2022 20:31

There are massive double standards. Boys seem to get told off more for hitting girls. Whereas boy on boy violence seems to be ignoredas "boys being boys" even when one is not an active participant.

Whattodo182 · 22/11/2022 20:33

DigbyLongcock · 22/11/2022 19:46

YANBU in the slightest to object to girls being singled out for this - but I'm gobsmacked that any school lets children watch a football match. WTF?

I remember watching world Cup or euros England matches in the assembly hall at primary school. And that was back in the 90s.

User135792468 · 22/11/2022 20:34

This is a spat between two 10 year olds. You clearly say that they have an argument regularly, so I’m guessing he said that to get a rise out of her. Instead of demonising the boy, remember that they are children. She shouldn’t be physical with him either - she could have easily told an adult. She chose not to. You don’t know how aggressive she was being when the TA stepped in. It’s an odd comment about little girls, but let’s not pretend that your child is some angel being bullied by a big, bad boy. Boys are knobs at times and girls are knobs at times. I’m sick of boys being vilified by parents of girls because their precious princess can do no wrong.

Notanotherone6 · 22/11/2022 20:38

Oh ffs. It's kids being kids. Let it go.

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