David Badiel - Jews Don't Count. Shocked

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AIBU to be disappointed and upset at the blindspot for antisemitism that was highlighted in last night's excellent documentary? The Leigh Francis part was especially revealing to me. The (quite correct) groveling apologies for the Michael Jackson, Craig David and Mel B characters were a contrast to the defining silence on the David Badiel character.

What is more, the reaction from the left-wing commentators (Owen Jones, et al) on twitter seem to suggest that Badiel says other racism doesn't exist, which feels like a deliberate and willful misrepresentation.

Yet these people don't seem to hold places like Saudi Arabia, Putin's Russia or Assad's Syria with the same passionate contempt.

I have a friend who used to bang on and on and on about Israel, until one day I asked him just why he didn't hold such strong opinions on various countries with truly appalling human rights issues. Why there was no other country in the Middle East at all that he ever criticized. He went very quiet and then emailed me later to say he'd realised he was being antisemitic. Bleedin' obvious innit.

@Holidayfinder

It's out of line to keep banging on at a poster for not leaving the thread the first time they said they were going to. Jumping on them with a goady 'thought you'd said you'd leave' type post, twice now. It's tiresome and just a bit nasty tbh.

Oh look at you @Holidayfinder still goading away at and picking on a Jewish woman. Well done you! Feel good about yourself?

I'm bailing from this thread now. Genuinely feel sorry for the Jewish Brits on here that have had to put up with this kind of shit for years (or forever really). But please know that some of us do see it, and do care!

@ScribblingPixie I'm an equal opportunity opposer of hateful government & hateful people.

I am vociferously passionate in my condemnation of
In no particular order & not exhaustive & not the people of importantly
But the governments of: (I will however feel angry when those governments are voted back in after displaying these actions) where voting is possible of course.

Turkey
Iran
Israel
USA
Uk
Russia
Saudi
Qatar
Egypt
Botswana
Mozambique

In fact basically all 69 countries where it's illegal to be gay.
Any country that has laws that treat refugees badly
Any racist states
Any states dancing with fascism
Anywhere where people aren't free to be themselves with respect to & not limited to:

Religion, race, culture,ethnicity, creed, sex, gender, sexuality.

Basically any country where hate speech or hatred of immigrants or people of colour or lgbt+ community or roma community etc

RE Israel - it is not obvious? The West is against the actions of Russia and is backing Ukraine during the war (ironically), our foreign ministers have repeatedly condemned the actions of Saudi, etc.

The defining factor with Israel is that the West supports and funds an apartheid state and understandably people aren’t happy about it

its certainly thought provoking

but FB is the wrong person to be highlighting the issues. Why should it be that he is forgiven for his black face comedy 🙄 routines.
It can’t be excused that it was in the 90’s and we have progressed where had he been an educated man to not know that black face was viewed as being extremely offensive, and his career certainly didn’t suffer from his blatant racism

Thanks and best wishes to you too. Easier said than done but keep your head up

Disproportionately ?

@BloodAndFire I agree that integrated rather than religious schools are generally a better idea, and as a mixed faith family, I'm very happy that my children have friends from literally every religion I can think of. We need more not less interfaith and intercultural understanding .

Again I am going to somewhat disagree here - although not totally.
The problem with sending my DC to non-Jewish schools is that it is hard enough to give them Jewish cultural literacy even in Jewish schools, along with maths and science and English cultural literacy and the tools to go to university. Doing it in non-Jewish schools is close to impossible. We are talking about an entire 3000 plus civilisation here - and it will die if don't educate our kids in it. It is exceedingly hard to give DC this, especially with the language barrier (most of the key literature is either written in Hebrew or Aramaic or both, so they have to learn this before they can even start to read anything).

My personal solution, and I think it is a relatively unusual one, is that every school holidays, particularly summer, I send/sent my DC on a whole range of day camps. Part of my reason to do this was to give them access to some of the activities that they just weren't getting much of in the Jewish schools, packed as their curriculum is with the government requirements and also the Jewish subjects - so in summer my kids did drama and art and music and roller blading/skateboarding and swimming and tennis and fencing and anything I could find that was offering near me that interested them (or not so near me - my DD particularly wanted to do rollerblading, but the only summer camp I could find was 50 minutes each way on the tube - and she was the only white girl there, there were a couple of white boys, but not many, which was fine, the girls were the minority and stuck together). But my second agenda was to have them meet a wide range of children that they didn't have access to in the Jewish schools. My DD is still in touch with one girl from the rollerblading and two girls from a music camp and I don't know how many others - although all my DC are a bit old for most summer camps now, with the youngest doing A levels (she did NCS over the summer). But it did mean that - eg I helped write a note for my then six year old DS explaining to the mystified helper at the camp why he was wearing these funny strings on an undergarment etc etc and we constantly had to try and explain food issues and not on Friday night/Saturday issues and I don't know what else.

@danceyourselfdizzy1 Don’t be so silly, Picking on a Jewish women ffs. Listen to yourself!
Poster indulgences in a bit of attention seeking and is called out on it.!

Thank you. And obviously kung-fu was autocorrect 🙄 sorry 🤦‍♀️

@Holidayfinder You might call it "Poster indulgences in a bit of attention" but what I've seen is someone (you) goading away at a Jewish woman for the last 2 days who dared to open up and express her fears and experiences of antisemitism.

It's pretty clear what you are.

Fuckety-bye.

I watched it and was sad and disgusted and angry in equal measures, I used to work at the Imperial War Museum and spent many hours patrolling the holocaust exhibition, listening to the testimonies and watching sickening footage of executions and piles of emaciated bodies. It has had a lasting effect on me. But probably the worst part of the exhibition was the beginning, where the ancient, centuries old hatred of Jews was explored. And then how clever and insidious the propaganda machine was, to get ordinary Germans to believe that Jews were worse than rats, subhuman, responsible for all the problems in the world. I have never, ever seen anti-Semitism as a 'lesser' prejudice but some people do and that is chilling.

Yes. Massively so
unwatch.org/2022-2023-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-of-the-world/

Why did the entire labour party conference wave Palestinian flags? Why do so many corbynite twitter accounts have Palestinian flags in their names?

A quarter of a million people have been killed in Yemen.

Two million people died in the war in Sudan and four million more were displaced.

Unknown huge numbers of uighurs are in concentration camps or 'disappeared' in China.

The Iranian government is murdering women and children openly on the streets in their thousands.

But somehow, nothing else matters but the Israel/Palestine conflict.

Why do so many European people apparently care so much about Muslims when they're dying at the hands of Jews, but otherwise don't give a damn?

I went to a Catholic primary school which I loved but I did think my grammar school dealt with our mixture of religions and cultures really well. I think it was probably unusual in the 60s and really positive when you saw the Rabbi, the Imam and the nun arriving and chatting on a Friday morning. A great example to us.

In my city we had no Jewish or Muslim senior school and only one Catholic grammar school so I suppose it was a good choice, in my first year the nun started coming in, the next year the Rabbi joined and so it went on.

🤣🤣 no worries at all. Need a bit of humour!

@danceyourselfdizzy1 If you say so. Bye now.

Well at Nottingham university they live next door to one another on campus in Chaplains Row, I have discovered. Apparently the Jewish chaplain and the Muslim chaplain hold bar-b-ques together - not sure if the priest joins or not.

I think it probably makes a difference how observant you are. We are not very observant, I married out, we do Friday night, go to shul on rh and yk, have a seder, and that's about it.

My kids definitely identify as Jewish but if they too marry out, my grandchildren will only be 1/4 Jewish genetically and probably not very much at all culturally.

I am, honestly, really torn about it all. I love so many aspects of the culture I have grown up in and I would be very very sad to see it go. (And yes, it would feel like Hitler had won, in a way.)

At the same time, I would really like it if my kids didn't have to go through this shit. Agh. It is not easy

Watched this, didn’t think it was particularly good, just another money making exercise for David Baddiel. Really felt sorry for Jason Lee, he seems really sweet and it was very gracious of him to allow the ‘apology’ to be filmed.

I loved the book and enjoyed the programme. I'm not Jewish.

I work in a very left-wing field, and the anti-semitism (ALWAYS couched as 'anti-Zionism', or 'anti-Israeli government policy') is very real. We had an announcement from management that we would be adopting the IHRA definition of anti-semitism, and the message board was immediately full of indignant posters saying that it would silence legitimate criticism of Israel. We have no cause to be criticising or examining Israeli government policy at work - it isn't our remit or part of what we do - and it smacked of people realising that it would make it harder for them to mouth off about the only apparently legitimate target of their racism while they're at work. I wondered how our Jewish colleagues felt, seeing that, and seeing themselves being conflated with a country they may never have been to or had anything to do with.

I know right-wing people who hate the Jews because they're a racial minority ('They've been hated through the world for centuries - you have to wonder why that is') and left-wing people who hate them... just because, I think ('They need to stop making such a fuss about the Holocaust' being one thing I heard from somebody).

They seem to be the easy target - they're too rich to be discriminated against, and also can't always be easily identified so therefore can't be a race or the victims of racism. Loads of other people have hated them, and there's no smoke without fire. They won't stop talking about how somebody tried to wipe them out 90 years ago and nobody wants to hear about that. PLUS, Israel does bad things, so all Jews need to answer for all of Israel's actions regardless of their actual connection to or relationship with Israel. They also killed Jesus, to throw in an historical reason (glossing over the fact that he was also a Jew). When you point out the many faces of modern anti-semitism, whatabouteries and straw men are thrown back at you.

What I've really learned is that some people will always find a reason to hate Jewish people, frankly.

@PickledRat
just another money making exercise for David Baddiel

really? Can't you try a little bit harder to disguise it?

The UK provides humanitarian support and military assistance in Yemen.

The UK is the second largest single country donor to Sudan.

The UK has put measures in place to ensure that organisations are not complicit in and make no profits from the human rights atrocities in China.

The UK has placed multiple sanctions on Iranian officials and condemns the country’s actions.

The UK does not recognise Palestine as a state and gives Israel, which has committed decades of oppression and domination over Palestinians, it’s full backing.

See the difference?

Antisemitism in Britain is not about Israel. No discussion about antisemitism in Britain should even be discussing Israel. And Jewish people should not be asked about their views on Israel when they talk about experiences of antisemitism. It is irrelevant.

If your response to someone talking about antisemitism in Britain is to say - what about Israel, then you are being antisemitic.

As a visibly religious Jewish young woman, I've experienced many incidents of antisemitism. I've had Heil Hitler yelled at me, been spat at many times, had eggs thrown from a passing car and shouted Jew at countless times.

Sadly, antisemitism is very much prevalent in modern day Britain and the security outside my son's Jewish school is very much needed.