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People who won't work otherwise they lose benefits

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Alphavilla · 20/11/2022 09:15

Came across BBC article recently quoting a 20 year old man saying he had cut out Netflix and booze to cut his costs in these difficult times. However apparently he could not work more than his 16 hours otherwise he would lose his benefits. My DH is a manager in large organisation and he finds it difficult to get shifts/jobs covered as the employees claim they can't add more hours to their part time shift because they would lose entitlement to benefits. So there is work to be had, but it seems it is more lucrative not to work. What has gone wrong?

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BiasedBinding · 21/11/2022 20:11

Many many people have jobs because so many IT systems require humans to do workarounds in order to get the work done Grin. I’m all for new fancy pants IT systems, they have been paying my mortgage for many years Wink

rwalker · 21/11/2022 20:17

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 21/11/2022 09:08

So we end up with the tax payer picking up the bill.

And they would have a bigger bill to pick up when business fail because they aren’t viable due to employing people they have no work for and the treasury would lose the taxes and the vat those companies pay

JenniferBooth · 21/11/2022 20:34

@Justthisonce12 is that the same system that thinks all patients own a Tardis and can time travel back to the day and time of their appointments when the appointment letter has arrived after the day of said appointment

talkingdeadscot · 21/11/2022 20:47

JenniferBooth · 21/11/2022 20:34

@Justthisonce12 is that the same system that thinks all patients own a Tardis and can time travel back to the day and time of their appointments when the appointment letter has arrived after the day of said appointment

It's a perfect system, the ex big boss of HSBC is in charge so it can't be wrong.

HollaHolla · 21/11/2022 20:51

CrossStichQueen · 20/11/2022 09:36

For a single man with no children and no disabilities, there is absolutely no way he would get more in benefits than he would working.

This young man does because he lives in a supported living environment so his rent which will be around £300 per week ( my own DS's rent was £280 pw) is paid by housing benefit which he will lose if he works more.

He was a care leaver, if we read the same article.
No support, no extended education, and no trade. I felt for him very much.

OriginalUsername2 · 22/11/2022 13:39

Willyoujustbequiet · 20/11/2022 23:49

Are you high?

How on earth will care work become automated?

Have you invented a robot that can wipe arses?

Refuse collection will be done a giant robot spider that can pick up sporadically placed bin bags and push along a truck 😂

Supermarkets will bring in self-filling shelves.

scaredoff · 22/11/2022 16:59

Ted27 · 21/11/2022 17:23

@Justthisonce12

I'm sure there are lots of ideas that look good on paper or in isolation

But just take your humble self serve check out and the unexpected item in the bagging area, removal of security tags from products, purchase of age restricted products Etc etc- attempting to remove people from processes doesn't necessarily make things work better

And yet supermarkets persevere with them, because they understand these things are minor irritations being gradually ironed out over time, while overall the self serve checkouts are already more cost effective than employing humans and will only become more so. Working better doesn't necessarily mean working perfectly, and to a supermarket's accounts department it doesn't even mean satisfying what customers want better; it just means delivering greater profits.

I must admit though, those checkouts have got a whole lot better since they were first launched all those years ago. The scales used to be really dodgy, register false errors and stop the process all the time. They must have just tweaked and tweaked them bit by bit over time, to get them working as they do. A lot of things in IT are like that, just each iteration being fractionally better than the last until the smoothness starts to outweigh the clunkiness.

Justthisonce12 · 22/11/2022 17:31

OriginalUsername2 · 22/11/2022 13:39

Refuse collection will be done a giant robot spider that can pick up sporadically placed bin bags and push along a truck 😂

Supermarkets will bring in self-filling shelves.

If thats the limit of your imagination you wont require too much in the way of AI entertainment.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6v7HQiCNiQ
You seriously think stacking shelves will be an issue ?

BiasedBinding · 22/11/2022 21:22

some people have all this lovely imagination when it comes to AI yet they can’t begin to imagine how UBI would work…

XenoBitch · 22/11/2022 21:27

No robot will replace a care worker. By saying they can and will, you are minimising the roles that our carers actually do.
No robot can replace the actual care that carers provide, and that is the time, compassion, and understanding. Care work is a lot more than wiping bums and encouraging feeding etc.

Florenz · 22/11/2022 21:41

XenoBitch · 22/11/2022 21:27

No robot will replace a care worker. By saying they can and will, you are minimising the roles that our carers actually do.
No robot can replace the actual care that carers provide, and that is the time, compassion, and understanding. Care work is a lot more than wiping bums and encouraging feeding etc.

I'm sure people on production lines in factories 40 years ago said the same thing about robots replacing them.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 22/11/2022 21:45

Florenz · 22/11/2022 21:41

I'm sure people on production lines in factories 40 years ago said the same thing about robots replacing them.

And checkout operators 15 years ago.

XenoBitch · 22/11/2022 21:48

Florenz · 22/11/2022 21:41

I'm sure people on production lines in factories 40 years ago said the same thing about robots replacing them.

No robot or AI will ever care. It is impossible for them to do so.
And I say that as a total saddo who uses Replika.

OriginalUsername2 · 23/11/2022 16:33

Justthisonce12 · 22/11/2022 17:31

If thats the limit of your imagination you wont require too much in the way of AI entertainment.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6v7HQiCNiQ
You seriously think stacking shelves will be an issue ?

Um.. yes? Unless they’re holographic products?

Justthisonce12 · 23/11/2022 17:52

BiasedBinding · 22/11/2022 21:22

some people have all this lovely imagination when it comes to AI yet they can’t begin to imagine how UBI would work…

Im all for UBI its literally the only viable solution

Florenz · 23/11/2022 18:25

UBI would not be sustainable. It would create a massive underclass of people generations removed from having to work and being completely unable to provide for themselves, the people paying for it all would sooner or later have had enough and stop paying, and the end result would be either anarchy or mass genocide.

BiasedBinding · 23/11/2022 18:34

I am enjoying the WUMs on this thread Grin

Florenz · 23/11/2022 18:42

I don't understand how anyone could imagine Robots would not be able to stack shelves when we already have robots building cars, and robots building the robots that build cars.

Justthisonce12 · 23/11/2022 19:23

Sunak tells NHS to embrace robot workers'

Rishi Sunak has mentioned multiple times the NHS must do things differently to improve efficiency through the challenging times ahead. The implementation of Robotic Process Automation can improve patient experience and give NHS staff more time by removing some of the administrative backlog.

Just the beginning

BiasedBinding · 24/11/2022 09:34

Oh I embrace all sorts of tech. The fact that often bits of it don’t speak to other bits has kept me in jobs for years. (I don’t work for the NHS)

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