People who won't work otherwise they lose benefits

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Came across BBC article recently quoting a 20 year old man saying he had cut out Netflix and booze to cut his costs in these difficult times. However apparently he could not work more than his 16 hours otherwise he would lose his benefits. My DH is a manager in large organisation and he finds it difficult to get shifts/jobs covered as the employees claim they can't add more hours to their part time shift because they would lose entitlement to benefits. So there is work to be had, but it seems it is more lucrative not to work. What has gone wrong?

Don't we? Since when? I saw people stacking the shelves in Asda today.

We have them, that’s not the same as needing them.

I often wonder if we’re heading down the Terminator route or the Matrix route…..

Or Wall-ee.

All hail the singularity eh?

Before long refuse collection will be largely automated, as will taxi driving, shelf-stacking, care work, call centres and many other unskilled or semi-skilled jobs.

that's your prediction, tbh I'm less sure about self driving cars than I was, and no one really knows....
how long in your view will it be until these things come to pass Florenz?

Before long? Yeah right. I’ll be slightly more concerned when three flakes of snow doesn’t bring the country to a halt and my phone provider has the IT facilities to ensure I don’t need to stand in my mum’s airing cupboard if I want to get a good signal at her house. We can’t stop hackers stealing our data, or most IT systems from crashing on a regular basis. And do you remember that police robot in Utah in 2019? It was supposed to be the start of something special. Some woman tried reporting a crime to it and it told her to go away before trundling off, singing to itself! And that’s without taking basic human stupidity and bloody mindedness into account.

I’m quite sure that the robots will take over one day and it will be like Hunger Games for a lot of us. It’ll be a while yet though, so for those of you channeling your inner lunatics, you need to calm the fuck down because poor people aren’t going anywhere just yet.

Are you high?

How on earth will care work become automated?

Have you invented a robot that can wipe arses?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/06/japan-robots-will-care-for-80-of-elderly-by-2020

@Florenz I have to come to the conclusion that your comprehension skills are severely lacking, or you're a troll.

The article you just posted is from 2016 and says that "According to Japan’s robot strategy, the government hopes that four in five care recipients accept having some support provided by robots by 2020."

It's currently the end of 2022 and unless you can find a credible source to prove otherwise 4/5 care recipients have not been receiving support from robots for the last 2 years.

I'm sure 80% hasn't happened yet, but robots are certainly helping carers in Japan right now, before long they'll be doing a lot more, there'll be one care worker supervising the work of 5 robots and doing the more intricate jobs that robots aren't able to do yet.

And your CREDIBLE SOURCE for this is?

When I was first a single parent I worked 16 hours & got working & child tax credits, I looked at increasing my hours to full time but when I looked on a benefits calculator when you take in to account I got housing & council tax benefit I would have been £200 a month worse off working full time & have to pay full rent & council tax plus I would have needed childcare instead of dropping ds at my mum's on the way to work & finishing in time to pick him up from school. Don't blame the claimants, blame the system.

So we get robots to do all the unskilled jobs and then have to pay everyone UBI? Makes great sense.

And I highly doubt the general public would be happy with robots doing the work. How many times do you hear people say "I want to speak to a real person, not a computer." Customer service from automated phone responses is shit and has never once helped me when I've needed something sorting.

"Before long refuse collection will be largely automated, as will taxi driving, shelf-stacking, care work, call centres and many other unskilled or semi-skilled jobs."

Says someone who has no idea what care work entails. I suppose you think caring for your children can be automated as well.

Perfectly explained.

@Beezknees theyll get used to it just as they have self service check outs

Refuse collection is no where near being automated. The tech is expensive and councils don’t have the money!

It's not going to happen though, so.

Of course it will happen. There's no reason for it not to happen.

"Have you invented a robot that can wipe arses?"

The problem is she sees care work as only being about wiping arses and other practical tasks.

I work for a company that uses some zero hours some people love them some don’t
the problem is our business has massive peaks and troughs of work
the work cannot be moved about to create an even workflow
so 1/2 the time we’d have staff to pay with nothing to do making the business unviable

🤣 I’m sat here writing the UX for it, it bloody is happening 🙄

Currently we have two drivers and three people loading the lorries, £30,000 each year that’s 150 grand. The lorries cost what 1 million each let’s say so if a lorry costs 1.25 million fully automated within two years there’s a significant saving to the council. And that’s without all the on costs of national insurance, pension contributions, sickness, injury, insurance claims.
As the lorries need replacing naturally through attrition councils will just buy an automated one instead, and you’ll be required to take your bin to the back of the truck for it to be loaded. The actual tipping it into the back of the truck is automated now already. It’s just a tiny additional step.

Yes, actually.