People who won't work otherwise they lose benefits

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Came across BBC article recently quoting a 20 year old man saying he had cut out Netflix and booze to cut his costs in these difficult times. However apparently he could not work more than his 16 hours otherwise he would lose his benefits. My DH is a manager in large organisation and he finds it difficult to get shifts/jobs covered as the employees claim they can't add more hours to their part time shift because they would lose entitlement to benefits. So there is work to be had, but it seems it is more lucrative not to work. What has gone wrong?

@Florenz

what are your criteria then for those people who should be permitted to have children.

I’m surprised no-one has espoused a variation on Logan’s Run as a good solution yet 🙄

I don't know, I haven't seen the data, which hasn't been compiled yet.

Basically look at people who contribute more in tax than they take, and who their parents were and go from there.

Imagine you'd start off with some kind of points system, everyone would be allowed to have one child, and then people would x number of points would be allowed to have a second, and everyone with y number of points would be allowed to have a third, etc etc.

Have you been at the Gin? Are you really suggesting eugenics?

Eugenics by the back door indeed.

And how did China’s one child policy end up?

It's really not eugenics.

What is the alternative? Carry on as we are?

@Florenz so you'd breed out the disabled then. Nice.

It is eugenics. Or selective breeding if you prefer. Limiting the procreation of those deemed less worthy. At least if you espouse an unpalatable ideology you should have the guts to own it.

@Florenz

roaring success in China wasn’t it.

everyone would be allowed to have one child, and then people would x number of points would be allowed to have a second, and everyone with y number of points would be allowed to have a third, etc etc.

And how do you propose this would be enforced?
Compulsory sterilisation for the disabled and/or low earners?
You are aware that we need people to do the low paid jobs - shelf stackers, bin men? Or do you not see these people as worthy enough to breed?
Are you also aware we have an ageing population and less women in this country are having children than ever before?

They seem to be doing quite well.

I honestly thought I couldn't be shocked by anything on here but I was wrong.

Actually no, China isn’t doing too well ….. they now seem to have a deficit in terms of younger people.

And I suspect a bit of an imbalance in the sexes as boys were favoured over girls with all of the grisly implications of that.

They seem to be doing quite well.
😳

@Florenz

If you think that in excess of 30 million "missing ' girl babies is doing quite well.
I wonder why the policy was abandoned?

I really hope you are trolling now, God help us if there are people who really think this

If you compare China to how it was 40 years ago when the one child policy started, to say they're doing quite well is a massive understatement.

And who do you think is going to pay everyone's pensions?

Do you think a system where the population has to increase forever in order to pay the next generations pensions is sustainable in the long run ?

So how do you propose paying for pensions then? Are you preparer to pay more yourself?

I suspect that someone who favours eugenics would be advocating for euthanasia to reduce the pensions bill.

Ye Gods, this thread is becoming more dystopian by the minute….

Prepared, obviously.

This is the problem with the greatest of respect Cadbury. We don’t need people to empty the bins any more, nor stack the shelves.

Really? I am sure they are all on zero hours contracts and minimum /law wage. I was looking for an additional part time job recently. Received more than 50 offers (London) and every single one was on zero hours contract.
No thanks, I did this shit in the past. All "extra" hours were late /night /all weekend shifts.

not really
www.ft.com/content/199c92ca-4f1e-4898-9152-d021936f6ab4
the gvt wants people to have more babies, the people say no
'China, which has the highest abortion rate among large economies, last year moved to tighten controls over abortions for non-medical purposes. Experts warned that officials could take more drastic measures to limit women’s access to abortion'

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