General election tomorrow - who do you vote for?

[IaminRome]

I'm so sick of this government and reading a lot of the posts on here, it feels like on the one hand, so are lots of people, but there are also lots of other people who are very sceptical about labour or lib dem or greens. Added to which, there are so many issues at the moment, I know there's a lot of GC and what makes a woman, that is particularly important at the moment, and cost of living, private rentals, the environment, etc etc

So knowing what you know about the parties, if there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for..

YABU - Tories
YANBU - Labour
Comment for a third option

I used to be green, but I'm so not sure any more. So I think I'd vote labour, to stand best chance of keeping Tories out. (What I'd really like to vote for is a more representative government)

A man who has singlehandedly presided over the biggest rise in knife and gun crime in recorded history

How on earth has Khan done that single-handedly, @Colourfingers2? Don't you think that the people responsible for underfunding the police might have some responsibility? And indeed the people responsible for the near-collapse of the justice system?

Telling a small number of male people that they and their penises should not be in women's single sex spaces is not even remotely comparable to burning down Jewish business though, is it?

That's a pretty tasteless comparison to be honest.

@MargotBamborough French voters would not get to decide whether or not the UK was allowed to rejoin. It doesn't work that way.

There might be some public support from EU citizens but I very much doubt there'd be universal support from politicians, who would be the one's deciding the issue.

I mean didn't France block the UK from joining the EEC twice precisely because they didn't believe the UK were genuinely committed to creating an ever closer European Union? Can't imagine they'll welcome us back with open arms any times soon.

I've read that for the EU, Brexit isn't really an issue anymore, the EU side of things is a done deal and they're getting on with things (obviously there's still some issues with Northern Ireland but by and large it's not all that troublesome to the EU). Many also think Brexit has actually strengthened the appetite for the EU (support for leaving in Finland fell from 29% to 15% and in the Netherlands from 23% to 13% post Brexit), so are happy having us as the cautionary tale.

I've also read / heard that more than a few working in Brussels are very happy to have removed a country that was frequently an obstacle to progressing the EUs ambitions/goals.

So all in all, the EU don't need the UK and while they might let us back in, it will be completely and utterly on their terms. Those that voted Brexit have condemned this country to at least a generation (likely much longer) of continual decline, all so a few rich **s could make some cash/avoid paying tax.

Actually, it does. There are now several countries in the EU with a referendum lock on ratifying any new EU treaties. And there would need to be a new EU treaty to allow the UK to rejoin.

@MargotBamborough this article suggests you are incorrect

I can't think of any @MargotBamborough

I don't remember any countries doing this when Croatia joined, or it coming up as an issue over Ukraine joining?

Happy to be corrected obviously

I wouldn’t be able to vote at all if it was tomorrow as I don’t have any photo ID. But if I had a bit more notice, I would spoil my ballot. I’m politically homeless.

@verdantverdure I live in an area with a huge Tory majority. I have always voted. I am extremely disheartened.

That article is very much an over simplification. It does correctly point out at the end that any member state could veto the UK's accession, although it fails to mention the referendum lock issue in several member states.

I used to specialise in EU law.

Ireland, for example, has to have a referendum on any new EU treaty. There are several others.

In fact, if the now defunct EU Referendum Act 2015 had been passed five years earlier we would have had to have a referendum in the UK on the issue of Croatia joining the EU.

And obviously, Ukraine has not joined the EU and is unlikely to do so any time soon.

Same. I've almost always lived in a Tory safe seat.

I voted yes in the AV referendum.

To no avail.

But in this election, even with the frantic gerrymandering boundary changes, such as for Jeremy Hunt's constituency and voter suppression the Tories have been doing, those seats aren't as "safe" as they have been.

I haven't heard anyone say that any EU countries will have a referendum on it

We had better start the rejoin process soon then before our downward Brexit trajectory makes us less and attractive as a market.

I am also "politically homeless"if I think about it that way.

I just don't think about it that way

It's bigger than that, for me.

@MargotBamborough what about the introduction of qualified majority voting, which the UK was so worried about because it would remove the veto for many votes?

I do see what you mean and I really wish I could do the same, but we only ever have the three main parties standing in our area. I can’t remember the last time there was an alternative candidate. And each of those parties have policies that I am fundamentally opposed to. I can’t bring myself to vote for any of them, even tactically.

Oh I think we are only at the start. We had an unbelievable deal from the EU for financial services. The best deal in the world.

We've traded that for nothing. A deal from the EU only in goods and manufacturing, which we aren't competitive in, and more immigration not from our nearest neighbours but the whole world.

Guess what. The rest of the world is not very interested in our services outside of the EU. Our goods and manufacturing aren't competitive.

We are going to get poorer. That's the Brexit dividend.

I've often had to pick the least worst @Nagado.

This time I'll pick the one that can win that isn't a Tory.

It can't be about me this time.

What is "The Other Party"?

Thesunwiththesmile actually........ I might have got that muddled re the name as the bio in this link says Party of women.

I know this is a very unscientific and imprecise assessment BUT going on the AIBU figures/percentages above there are approximately 120 people on this thread who would still consider voting for the Tories!!! 😱SERIOUSLY?! Where have you all been for the last 13 bloody awful years? How can you not have noticed that they HATE the 'State' with a vengeance and that the country is almost destroyed both socially and economically?! 😳They started as they meant to go on, with AUSTERITY, not at all a necessity but a purely political choice and now there are more FOODBANKS than McDonalds, millions of people are supposed to somehow budget on 'zero hours contracts', the NHS/Social Care etc is on the brink of collapse and you can get to see a doctor eventually IF you're lucky but don't expect to see a consultant, get an op, urgent treatment or even an ambulance unless of course you're dying but even that is no guarantee!!! There is practically NO ACCOMMODATION either to rent or buy and what little there is most can't afford!! 'SOCIAL HOUSING' is not even a serious consideration because, guess what, it's not 'profitable' and people who live in that type of accommodation historically DON'T vote Tory, yes REALLY!! They are the most corrupt, inept and generally dysfunctional 'government in living memory, they have casually and systematically STOLEN billions of pounds of tax payer's money from the Treasury for themselves, their cronies, business associates and backers and the complete and utter callous mismanagement of COVID😷was responsible for the DEATHS of thousands....BREXIT was a completely pernicious and unnecessary vanity project that has isolated and humiliated the UK, it has negatively threatened the economy, destroyed businesses and lives, taken away freedoms and hard fought for rights and privileges that many didn't even know they had until they were taken away!😔It will take years, possibly decades, to recover even after the inevitable happens and we eventually rejoin the EU!! 😍They have much of the Media, Police and Judiciary in their back pockets and our HUMAN RIGHTS are being eroded before our very eyes!! STILL HAPPY TO VOTE FOR THEM?!
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It's only for some things. Not for anything as fundamental as who is allowed into the club.

Why would you not having heard that make it not true?