General election tomorrow - who do you vote for?

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I'm so sick of this government and reading a lot of the posts on here, it feels like on the one hand, so are lots of people, but there are also lots of other people who are very sceptical about labour or lib dem or greens. Added to which, there are so many issues at the moment, I know there's a lot of GC and what makes a woman, that is particularly important at the moment, and cost of living, private rentals, the environment, etc etc

So knowing what you know about the parties, if there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for..

YABU - Tories
YANBU - Labour
Comment for a third option

I used to be green, but I'm so not sure any more. So I think I'd vote labour, to stand best chance of keeping Tories out. (What I'd really like to vote for is a more representative government)

I spoiled my ballot paper last time. None of them are worth my vote.

Because the massive explosion in numbers you are talking about is largely adolescent girls wanting to be men. A phenomenon which simply didn't exist a few years ago. And the majority of the research into the best way to treat gender dysphoria has been done on male patients and isn't necessarily applicable to this demographic.

There have always been a small number of boys with early onset gender dysphoria, and a number of men who suddenly decide in middle age that they want to present as women.

In the former case, yes, it matters, and we need to be looking into what is causing young boys to decide they are girls. I suspect a lot of it is internalised homophobia as a result of having homophobic parents like Susie Green and her ex husband.

In the latter case, i.e. middle aged men, we need to have an honest discussion about whether there is actually anything society needs to be doing to accommodate what is, in most cases, a sexual fetish.

Starmer has said that. I saw an interview about 6 months ago where he said. I can't remember which journalist it was with, but I definitely heard it.

Protecting biological women's language and spaces is completely incompatible with saying that trans women are women or being in favour of self ID.

If Labour have changed their position on self ID then they need to shout it from the rooftops.

Lib Dem are the only party prioritising significant investment in state education and closer ties to Europe.
That gets my vote.

pointythings · Today 12:15
If they said, "We are committed to protecting trans people's rights but we also acknowledge that biological women need their own single sex spaces and sports, so we want to ensure that biological women and trans women are both catered for, equally but separately", that would be a game changer.

The problem is that journalists (and voters) demand answers to inane questions such as ‘can women have penises?’ and ‘are trans women women’? The far better question is ‘given that there are a proportion of people in this country that are not born biologically female but wish to be treated as such, how should they be accommodated?’

You would then get a much better quality of answer.

I agree with that, but would be even more specific.

How should they be accommodated in toilets and changing rooms? How should they be accommodated in rape crisis groups? How should they be accommodated in prisons? How should they be accommodated in sports?

How should women who don't feel able to share these spaces with biological males be accommodated?

Are there actually any situations in which men and women are accommodated separately, where they should be accommodated as though they were women?

I agree, and that's why pressure needs to be maintained.

I disagree that the solution is to allow the conservatives to continue to treat the country like its own private bank account, using civil servants like personal servants and continuing to introduce ideals that are detrimental to women, whilst blaming Labour for being worse.

I think that our politicians were lead down the twaw narrative in baby steps, each one seeming innocuous. I think backtracking from this is hard, but not impossible. It's happening in athletics, it can happen in other areas too.

I'm a bit GC.

I think Brexit is an insanity that will have to be reversed if we want to get our economy back on track

But I won't allow this to stop me from voting in the best interests of our country in every other category.

And after 13 years it is clear to me that it's in the best interests of our country to get the Tories out.

So I will vote for whoever I have to to get our safe seat Tory MP out.

Our kids need good education, good healthcare, good public services, good law and order, good government.

Not to be told "the country can't afford" things we used to be able to afford before we had 13 years of the Tories.

Brexit can't be reversed, @verdantverdure. The best we can hope for is the Switzerland model.

LibDem, because they are the only ones with a chance of defeating our current Tory MP

@MargotBamborough I agreed, but keeping the Tories in power won't get us to something approaching a Switzerland model.

Keeping the Tories in power won't protect disabled people and their carers (who are often women).

Keeping the Tories in power won't give our children the education they should have (which is mostly provided by women).

Keeping the Tories in power won't increase Council funding which will support young people, elderly people and women.

Keeping the Tories in power won't protect our rights at work, which affects women.

And that's without mentioning the economy or the environment.

I have never voted Tory and I never will. I cannot bring myself to vote Labour now. I will spoil my paper....it is so depressing.

I’m voting Labour, tactical voting to get Boris out!! Please God let that happen! He’s not fit to be my MP!

So why are Labour playing silly buggers with an ideological position which makes it impossible for me and many other women to vote for them?

Why are they allowing a bunch of blue haired narcissists to dictate their policy instead of saying, "Look, trans activists, most of the electorate disagrees with you and we need them to vote us in so we can fix all the other problems the country is facing, all of which are way more important than making it easier for you to falsify your legal documents and access spaces for the opposite sex, so stow it in an overhead locker, OK?"

@MargotBamborough because they feel that the other issues I mentioned are more important to their voter base. And I agree with them. Feel free to be a single issue voter, but you may sadly get what you've voted (or not) for.

100% this. Labour's priorities should be NHS, public service investment and limiting damage of Brexit. So why is self-ID such a big deal to them?

Why should we have to choose between women's rights and child safeguarding and those other issues?

Labour should be committed to all those things.

And the women's rights and child safeguarding issues aren't even things that cost money. All the need to do is say no to some spoilt brats who think everything is about them. The number of women who care about and need single sex spaces is much higher than the number of trans people, so Labour should be taking our side as a matter of electoral arithmetic if nothing else.

Of course it can.

Why wouldn't it?

You don't have any other choices in your constituency?

And you don't mind if this means you get a Tory MP?

I have voted Conservative before (a long time ago) but I will do the only thing I can to try to keep them out of power this time:
Vote tactically fit whoever has the best chance of getting more votes than our safe seat Tory MP.

Because rejoining the EU would require the unanimous agreement of at least 27 other countries, including several where the decision would have to be put to a referendum. Never gonna happen.

I'm less pessimistic about a rejoin than you are, @MargotBamborough . The UK will have to prove itself as a reliable player on the international stage, however. One of the ways we achieve this is by voting the Tories out (and then preferably going for PR, which will improve our credentials as a democratic country).

Brexit has fucked over more than just the U.K. so there is plenty of support for us rejoining.

I can't think of any countries that have referendums on new members joining?

I really don't think voters in France could care less what kind of electoral system the UK has or whether it has proved itself as a reliable player on the international stage, to be honest.

PR would be great, but Labour haven't said they'll introduce it, have they? That's the only policy which would make me hold my nose and vote for them, but only in the hope of one day being able to cast a meaningful vote for a non insane party which doesn't hate women.